Sunday, December 30, 2007

Podcast: Mormonism and the Presidency

VCY Amercia Radio
Crosstalk - America
December 20, 2007

Host: Jim Schneider
Guest: Rocky Hulse

Rocky Hulse, a 6th generation former Mormon, is the Director of the Nauvoo Christian Visitors Center in Nauvoo, Illinois. He has authored a book entitled, When Salt Lake City Calls--Is There a Conflict Between Mormonism and the Public Trust?

Rocky believes that the Mormon church is a master at public relations, however Rocky believes the image doesn't comport with reality.

The reality begins with the male-centered Mormon priesthood which is the ruling entity and power. In Mormonism, God is said to have created the universe, and that he continues to control it, through the priesthood.

Young Mormon males go through various ordinations depending upon their age. Rocky noted that there are two specific levels of priesthood, the Aaronic priesthood and the Melchizedek priesthood. This latter priesthood is the one alluded to earlier that created, operates, and rules our universe. In Mormonism, this priesthood will also be responsible for those universes, earths, and physical offspring that will be created in the future by those Mormon males who progress in this life and the next to become gods themselves.

Rocky discusses why there is a conflict of interest between Mormonism and the public trust. It has to do with the oaths of covenants and obedience to Mormonism that must come first before any other allegiances. This is especially important when you consider that the leader/prophet of the Mormon church is considered the mouthpiece of God on earth.

As an example, Rocky hypothetically asked that if there was a bill on the desk of "President" Mitt Romney, and the prophet of the Mormon church calls and wants that bill vetoed, is Mr. Romney going to argue with the man considered to be God's oracle on earth?

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Saturday, December 22, 2007

Nauvoo man authors book about Mormonism

Chris Faulkner
Staff Writer
Fort Madison Daily Democrat


Rocky Hulse has been speaking and writing about the Church of Jesus Christ-Latter Day Saints - the church he was baptized and raised in - for quite a few years now.
That's often followed by charges of bigotry or hatefulness or, at best, stirring up unnecessary dissension between faith groups.
Undaunted, Hulse has written a book about the subject of the Mormon faith and how it relates to church members in public office. Once again, he puts in numerous disclaimers to his being bigoted.
The book is: When Salt Lake City Calls: Is there a conflict between Mormonism and the public trust? It's published by Christian publishing company Xulon Press.
Although Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is not named specifically, the timing of the book's release is no coincidence, with the 2008 presidential election looming on the horizon.
The back cover, however, shows that Hulse is not just focusing on the office of the president. “From the White House ... to the local school board ... the principle remains the same! Can Americans trust Mormons in public office?”
The central premise of Hulse's book is that in order to be a Latter-Day Saint in good standing a person - in this case a candidate for public office - must cast his allegiance first and foremost to the church and its Prophets. (The Prophet is the current leader of the Church.)
From Chapter 7, Page 224, in what is a regular end-of-chapter summary feature, Hulse writes, “This book is about a principle: absolute allegiance/obedience to the Mormon Church through its governing agent, the Priesthood. As has been amply chronicled in previous chapters, the dogma to “Follow the Prophet” is the primary tenet of Mormonism. However, under the agent of the Priesthood the local level Priesthood leaders are to be followed as well or the Mormon could be ‘endangering their own salvation.' This brings the conflict between Mormonism and the political arena to the local level.”
Hulse took the first three chapters to give an overview and outline of the Church of Jesus Christ-Latter Day Saints. Despite his critics' claims, Hulse wrote that in writing about and evaluating the church he's simply taking doctrinal statements and proclamations from actual Mormon sources - both in the early days of the church founded by Joseph Smith and in more recent times.
He then took the next five chapters to discuss the LDS Church's views on its heirarchy and its teachings and spiritual doctrines and how they relate to the political world.
It is Hulse's contention - and his claims are heavily footnoted and documented - that LDS members are to place their primary source of guidance on church leaders, who are anointed by God.
Hulse addressed the question that has been brought up, comparing the fears about a Mormon president with the fear in 1963 that John F. Kennedy - the first Catholic to run for president - would take his marching orders from the Pope.
Hulse reprints Kennedy's speech to a Baptist group and said that is in stark contrast to the Mormon Church's beliefs about political activity.
As for the concept of separation of church and state, the third Mormon Prophet, John Taylor, wrote in 1867 that Mormons are to be led politically by their Priesthood. “We used to have a difference between church and state, but it is all one now,” Taylor wrote.
Hulse finished the book with two chapters on historical tragedies: one in the early days of the Church and one in the mid-1980s. Space prevents a detailed accounting of the Mountain Meadows Massacre 150 years ago (1857) and the Mark Hoffman Murders (1985). But Hulse brought those events in to show how the LDS church covered up heinous crimes and circumvented current laws to protect the church. Hulse expressed concern that a Mormon in public office would have a greater loyalty to the many oaths and covenants of his church than to the laws of the land and the people who elected him.
“The fully documented position of the book,” Hulse said, “is that a Mormon is bound by oath and covenants to the Mormon Church above all other obligations in this life. Any oath of office they may take is secondary to the oaths and covenants of Mormonism.
“In that context, the requirements of Mormonism place Mormons squarely in opposition to the American democratic ideal of independent representation,” Hulse said.
“The Mormon Church is the ultimate lobbyist and cannot be legislated away.”

Sunday, December 9, 2007

Romney Is Untruthful About Mormon Doctrine

Now that you have watched this video... read the new book:
"When Salt Lake City Calls: Is there a conflict between Mormonism and the public trust?"
by Rocky Hulse
Most of those speaking of their concern about a Mormon President in this video are missing the most important issue: allegiance. It's not the bizarre doctrines of Mormonism, it's the allegiance factor. Yes, I have serious doctrinal issues with Mormonism compared to Christianity; however, that isn't the issue. The issue is the oaths and covenants that Mormons have sworn of absolute obedience and allegiance to the Mormon Church and to its living male hierarchy. We are a Republic, not a Democracy. We elect people to go and represent us, "We the People." How can a Mormon represent "We the People," when they are bound by absolute oaths and covenants of servitude to primarily 15 elderly men in Salt Lake City (it also runs to local level leadership as well). If a Mormon in public office was directed by their leadership to vote or act a certain way, and they didn't do it, their refusal could have eternal consequences. Therefore, the name of the book: "When Salt Lake City Calls." The American voter deserves to know what obligations a Mormon has been placed under by their church which conflict with our American democratic ideals and, which could prevent a Mormon politician from freely acting in the best interest of the voter: "We the People."

Tuesday, December 4, 2007

Mitt Romney 'Who Let the Dogs Out' on MLK day...What?


New book "When Salt Lake City Calls" by Rocky Hulse
Is there a conflict between Mormonism and the public trust?
What to learn more about the false teachings of Mormonism and what lies behind those white shirts? This is the book...

Friday, November 16, 2007

BALLAD of the MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE

Where is your shame Utah? Where is you shame Mormon Brethren?

Fancher Wagon Train and Family Flag Bearers

Mountain Meadows Massacre Amercia's First 9/11 1857...
We will never forget...never!
Contact the Mormon Church and demand they let this gravesite go now, let your voices be heard for those that cannot cry out for themselves!
The Mormon priesthood leaders murdered these people and the Mormon Church has no right to own their graves.
The Mormon Church can do the right thing today, release this gravesite to Federal Stewardship!

Monday, November 12, 2007

Mountain Meadows - Descendants Have No Funerary Rights

Rocky Hulse interviews Mountain Meadows Monument Foundation Members in 2007 on "Truth Outreach" International Television program regarding Stewardship at the Mountain Meadows Massacre site. In this interview Rocky focuses on Scott Fancher's version of descendants rights at the Mountain Meadows Burial Site. The show was taped on August 7, 2007 in Quincy, Illinois

Saturday, November 10, 2007

Nauvoo Expositor


Want to learn more? Get a copy and read it for yourself. Find out the truth about Joseph Smith and the "Nauvoo Expositor. Ask yourself why Joseph was taken to the Carthage Jail in June 1844? It wasn't false charges as the Mormon Church likes to promote. In the U.S. you cannot destroy a newspaper just because you don't like it and get away with it - even if you are the Mayor. There's this little legal idea known as freedom of the press.

Tuesday, November 6, 2007

September Dawn Interview with Screenwriter Carole Whang Schutter

Click link to view video:
GodTube.com - September Dawn Interview with Screenwriter
:
"September Dawn Interview with Screenwriter
Movie clips of the movie September Dawn are immersed throughout this interview with screenwriter Carole Whang Schutter with Linda Evans Shepherd at Denver Celebration. Shocking truths about Mormonism as well as the secrets behind the Mountain Meadows Massacre which took place September 11, 1857. This movie was banned from many theaters. See what the Mormon church doesn't want you to see.

One should ask themselves why is the Mormon church so afraid of the movie September Dawn? Why have they worked so hard for the past 150 years to keep this dark piece of their history hidden? Why will they not admit that Mormon Priesthood leaders and Mormon Doctrine lead to the murders of the 120 unarmed men, women and children over the age of seven?

Monday, October 22, 2007

ISLAM & MORMONISM

ISLAM & MORMONISM:
REMARKABLE PARALLELS BETWEEN THE TWO
Dr. Paul J. Weathers, Th.B., M.A. Apol., Litt.D.

At first glance the religions of Islam and Mormonism
appear to be very different from each other. The
culture and doctrines are in sharp contrast to each
other. Islamic customs and attire are each very much
in line with what has been common in traditional
Islamic countries since the 7th century. 1 Conversely,
Mormons dress no differently than other westerners,
and their customs generally draw no unusual
attention.Islam believes in one God - Allah, 2 while
Mormons believe in many gods. 3

On the basis of these sharp differences, one might be
surprised and perhaps skeptical regarding the
assertion that there are remarkable parallels between
these two religions.While a casual observer will
notice few similarities between the customs and
doctrines of these two religions, the parallels become
abundantly clear upon a closer look.

Literature from both religions indicate that each were
started by a "prophet" who began his career searching
for the true religion. Both prophets were concerned
about the different sects or denominations within
Christianity. 4 In both cases, the founding "prophet"
wasn't educated. Mohammed is thought by many to
have been illiterate, 5 while Joseph Smith received
little education.6

Both Islam and Mormonism were started by alleged
"angelic" revelation; in which there are conflicting
versions: four conflicting versions of Mohammed and
nine conflicting versions of Joseph Smith. The
official versions indicate that it was the angel
Gabriel who appeared to Mohammed, while the Mormon
prophet Joseph Smith was visited by the angel Moroni
subsequent to his visit by God the Father and Jesus
Christ. 7

In both cases these "prophets" received extra-biblical
revelation which clearly contradicted the Bible. Both
Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught the concept of a
total falling away from the truth. 8 InMohammed's
case, he was sent as the last prophet to redeem a
fallen people. 9 In Joseph Smith's case, he was
ordained as a prophet to restore the truth. 10

In sharp contrast to the paleographical evidence and
of textural critics, 11 Islam and Mormonism both teach
that the Bible as we accept it today has been
corrupted. 12

Both religions accept four books as scripture. Islam
accepts the Torah of Moses, The Psalms of David, the
Gospel of Jesus Christ, and the Quran.13 Mormonism
accepts the Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, The
Pearl of Great Price, and the Bible with the
stipulation, "insofar as it is correctly translated."
14 Both religions make very similar statements about
the credibility of their extra-biblical scripture
books [The Quran and the Book of Mormon]; in
particular the challenge to duplicate a book like
theirs - if it isn't scripture. 15 In both religions,
there is strong evidence which shows that portions of
their extra scripture books were copied from earlier
documents, 16 and in both religions their extra
scripture books contradict the Bible. 17

The founders of Islam and Mormonism also have much in
common. Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith were involved
in polygamy. 18 They were both involved in military
type activity; Mohammed known as the prophet with the
sword, and Joseph Smith once being the "Lieutenant
general" of a two thousand man militia. 19 Both
Mohammed and Joseph Smith gave prophecies which proved
to be false, and like many others having
extra-biblical revelation, both Mohammed and Joseph
Smith received revelations which contradicted previous
ones from time to time. 20
Even though many other parallels could be cited, the
aforementioned ones are presented here as evidence
that more than coincidence is at work in both Islam
and Mormonism.
Upon studying these uncanny parallels a reasonable
person might ask: Is it possible that both prophets
received their revelation from the same source? Is it
possible that both Mohammed and Joseph Smith
experienced what the apostle Paul warned about in many
passages?

2 Corinthians 11:3-4 "But I am afraid that just as
Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds
may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure
devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and
preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached , or
if you receive a different spirit from the one you
received, or a different gospel from the one you
accepted, you put up with it easily enough."

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 "And no wonder, for Satan
himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not
surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as
servants of righteousness. . . "

Galations 1:6-9 "I am astonished that you are so
quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace
of Christ and are turning to a different gospel -
which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some
people are throwing you into confusion and are trying
to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an
angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than
the one we preached to you, let him be eternally
condemned! As we have already said, so now I say
again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other
than what you accepted, let him be eternally
condemned!"

A VALID TEST TO DETERMINE
TRUTH FROM ERROR

It was the same apostle Paul who commanded the early
church to "Test everything" (1 Thess. 5:21); exactly
what is needed when one considers the assertions and
teachings of Mohammed and Joseph Smith. A valid and
consistent test or reference point is necessary in
order to determine truth from error, regardless of
what religion, doctrine, or prophet is the subject in
question.

One cannot say that something is in error unless they
have an instrument, standard, or reference point from
which to determine truth first. Once truth is
established, the error becomes obvious! An impartial
jury cannot make an objective decision unless they
have a valid reference point from which to test the
evidence. They must be familiar with such pertinent
information as the law, what evidence is admissible,
and how to logically examine the facts. Without such a
valid reference point from which to determine truth
from error, nothing may be determined with any degree
of certainty. Those who attempt to determine truth
from error without a valid reference point are very
much like a person adrift on a boat in the sea and a
deep fog. They are lost because they have no valid
reference point from which to determine truth from
error! 21

As we approach Islam and Mormonism with the
aforementioned information in mind, it is logical to
begin with the question; "What is this valid test,
reference point, or standard from which to determine
truth from error?"

Suppose we were on that above described boat which was
adrift in the sea and a deep fog. The valid test,
reference point, or standard needed in that situation
would be such things as a compass, a map, and some
knowledge of where on the map we might be. In
spiritual situations, we need something which is just
as dependable; a "spiritual" map and compass!

After examining the evidence, a logical and objective
person will conclude that the Bible meets the standard
for such dependability. The science of textural
criticism has provided conclusive evidence that the
Bible has been translated in a highly accurate manner.
22

The external evidences of fulfilled prophecy together
with scientific and historical consistency are also
factors in this conclusion.

In answer to the earlier question: The valid test,
reference point, and standard from which to determine
truth from error is the Bible; the inspired Word of
God! This is the major test in spiritual matters.
Other tests may also be used including the tests of
logic and internal consistency; tests which the God of
the universe would never object to.

The Bible antedates Mohammed and Joseph Smith. The
Bible antedates the Quran and the Book of Mormon. The
Bible also antedates many other books which are
considered by many to be scripture including, Science
& Health with Key to the Scriptures [Christian
Science], and The Divine Principal [Unification
Church].

Shouldn't the same valid tests be applied to any
supposed new revelation which was supposedly inspired
by the same God? Shouldn't we judge any new revelation
by what God has already said?
These valid questions were included at the historic
counsels of Hippo and Carthage at which time the
Church excluded from the canon of scripture any books
which failed these tests. With these factors in mind,
we should ask our Islamic and Mormon friends questions
like the following:

"Would the Quran or the book of Mormon pass the tests
required by the counsels of Carthage and Hippo?"23 "If
these books had been considered along with the
accepted New Testament books; Would they have been
excluded or included in the canon of scripture?"

TESTING ISLAM AND MORMONISM
BY SCRIPTURE

Since the Bible is the word of God which has been
accurately translated and which antedates Islam and
Mormonism; it is logical to first test these religions
by scripture. Since each were supposedly founded upon
new revelations, these revelations must not contradict
the Bible which is the older revelation. This test is
as logical as it is scriptural.

In Jeremiah 28, the prophet Hananiah gave a prophecy
which contradicted earlier revelations. As a result of
this, he was immediately excluded as a true prophet of
God. This same test was used by the Bereans in Acts
17:11 and alluded to by Paul in 1 Thess. 5:21.

Another test is the logical test of evidence. If
Mohammed and Joseph Smith were representing the true
God - their revelation will be historically and
scientifically consistent, and their revelations will
not run contrary to the evidence.

As we apply these tests to Islam and Mormonism, we may
effectively witness to our Islamic and Mormon friends
since both religions may be examined and refuted by
the same methodology.

Before we begin testing Islam and Mormonism, an
important point must be emphasized. When witnessing to
our Islamic and Mormon friends, it isn't necessary to
discuss everything or to refute everything.
A sufficient amount of foundations must be refuted so
that the religion can no longer stand without them.

Once the religion in question has no basis upon which
to stand, it will fall regardless of whether or not
additional evidence is presented. In some cases only
one point needs to be demonstrated for an effective
refutation.


When Mohammed and Joseph Smith are tested by
scripture, the same problem emerges very early in
their respective prophetic careers. They each began
their career with a revelation which directly
contradicted scripture:

Mohammed taught that he was the last prophet sent to
redeem a fallen people; a doctrine which presupposed
that the true religion was lost and had to be
restored. Joseph Smith taught that there had been a
complete falling away from the true religion, which
consequently had to be restored.

In contrast to the doctrine of a total falling away
from the true religion, Jesus Christ taught that after
he established the true church, not even the gates of
hell would overcome it [Matthew 16:18]. He also taught
that his apostles would bear "fruit that would last."
[John 15:16].

Jude taught that the true religion had been "once and
for all entrusted to the saints" [Jude 3]. In other
words it would never be lost and need to be restored.
Jesus Christ, again in the Book of Revelation promised
the Church at Philadelphia that he had set before them
"an open door, and no one can shut it." [Revelation
3:8]. Clearly, the teachings of Mohammed and Joseph
Smith of a total falling away from the truth, and of
the need for a restoration are doctrines which are in
direct conflict with the Bible - the older revelation.

In addition to the problem of contradicting scripture,
the total apostacy & restoration doctrines of Islam
and Mormonism are also in direct conflict with church
history. While the record is abundant with apostacies
and heresies which were refuted by the church, the
record is clear that there was never a complete
apostacy. 24

Another problem relating to the restoration teachings
of Islam and Mormonism is this: If either Islam or
Mormonism is the true religion which once existed, was
lost and needed to be restored; there should be some
evidence that the religion in question once existed
somewhere in history prior to its' "restoration" by
either Mohammed or Joseph Smith. The historical record
is clear that prior to Mohammed and Joseph Smith,
neither of these religions existed as such.

In response our Muslim friends may point out that
there were worshipers of Allah during and prior to the
time of Mohammed, and our Mormon friends may point to
similarities between some ancient religions and modern
Mormonism.

Our Muslim friends must recognize the fact that the
"Allah" [who was worshipped prior to, and during the
time of Mohammed] was the Moon God of Mecca rather
than the God of the Bible. Those who worshipped Allah
did so along with many other gods. While there is no
doubt that Mohammed derived many of his ideas from the
Allah worship of his day and before, there is no
evidence that the actual Islamic religion as founded
by Mohammed ever existed before the time of Mohammed.
25

Our Mormon friends must recognize that the
similarities between Mormonism and some ancient
religions are so general that they don't support the
conclusion that Mormonism ever existed prior to the
time of Joseph Smith. What Mormons really need to
support their position is evidence!
Where are the ruins of the ancient Mormon temples?
Where are the remains of the many great battles
described in the Book of Mormon, or the coins
described therein? [and, without attempting to
illogically "read into" the evidence] Where is the
evidence in general that Mormonism ever existed prior
to its founding by Joseph Smith? 26

The revelations of Islam and Mormonism have scientific
problems as well. An example from Islam is the
incident in which Alexander the Great followed the sun
until he found it setting in a muddy pond. 27

An example of scientific inaccuracy in Mormonism is
The Book of Mormon's claim that American Indians are
Jewish, ie: Mediterranean Caucasoid rather than
Mongoloid as anthropologists have classified them
using the genotypical and phenotypical criteria. 28

At this juncture both religions have the same
problems: The initial revelations upon which they were
founded are in contradiction to the Bible, and they
are both purporting to be a restoration of a religion
which never existed. A religion which never existed
cannot be "restored."

Islam and Mormonism teaches that the Bible has been
corrupted. In contrast, the evidence and science of
textural criticism demonstrates that the Bible wasn't
corrupted. On the contrary, the Bible has been
translated in a highly accurate manner. When compared
to other ancient works of antiquity, The New Testament
is the strongest attested document in history! 29

Surely, if Mohammed or Joseph Smith were true prophets
of God, they wouldn't have been wrong about such an
essential doctrine.

The evidence is strong that both Mohammed and Joseph
Smith copied and/or borrowed portions of older
documents to produce the Quran and the Book of Mormon.
In Mohammed's case these earlier documents included
portions of the Bible, Arabian fables, the Jewish
Talmud, and other pre-Islamic sources. 30 In the case
of Joseph Smith, the material in the Book of Mormon
included portions of: the Bible, the Apocrypha, the
Westminster Confession, and two novels by Ethen Smith
which antedated Mormonism: The Ten Tribes of Israel in
America, and View of the Hebrews. 31

It is one thing for a scripture book to quote another
scripture book such as the Bible does, but it is quite
another for the contents of such a book to contain
plagiarism from uninspired and in many cases,
fictional sources.

If Mohammed and Joseph Smith are Biblical prophets,
they must pass the test of 100% accuracy as required
by Deuteronomy 18:20-22, but an examination of their
prophecies shows that they didn't!
Mohammed's "true" prophecies were primarily nothing
more than pre-battle pep talks. Like all leaders in
battle he would predict victory to his troops. On many
occasions his predictions turned out to be true, but
on other occasions his troops were defeated - one time
so badly that Mohammed was almost killed. 32

In Joseph Smith's case his "true" prophecies amount to
information which was in the newspapers at the time;
His "civil war" prophecy for example. In other cases
Smith went far out on a limb, prophesying that the New
Jerusalem would be established in Independence
Missouri within his generation, and that Jesus Christ
would return within 56 years. 33

Mohammed initially prophesied tolerance for other
religions, but later changed his prophecy to
intolerance. 34 Joseph Smith issued revelations which
contradicted previous ones. An example of this is his
revelation that there are many gods.
The Book of Mormon which he said was scripture teaches
that there is only one God. Smith also taught that
unless men practiced polygamy, they could not become a
god while his Book of Mormon condemned the practice of
polygamy. 35

Although many additional problems could be presented,
the aforementioned ones are more than sufficient to
merit the logical conclusion that neither Mohammed nor
Joseph Smith were Biblical prophets.

After examining the evidence, it cannot be honestly
said that either Islam or Mormonism are biblically
consistent religions.


Key Issues to Discuss with our
Islamic and Mormon friends

Prior to meeting with a friend from either of these
religions, it is essential to do your homework first,
and to spend serious time in prayer for the salvation
of your friend. Your dialogue will be much more
effective if you make one subject a key issue.

When meeting with a Muslim, the issues of the
Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ are key
issues. These are essential doctrines of Christianity
which are denied by Islam.

The Bible records both the Crucifixion and
Resurrection of Jesus Christ; events which are also
consistent with many historical documents. 36 Once it
is demonstrated that the crucifixion of Christ is an
established fact, our Muslim friends must deal with
the question of how Mohammed could be a prophet of God
and yet contradict scripture and historical evidence
by teaching that Jesus wasn't crucified.

When witnessing to a Mormon friend, the nature of God
is a key subject. Once it is established that the
Bible is the Word of God which has been correctly
translated, the Mormon must deal with the fact that
Joseph Smith taught [as does Mormonism] a completely
different concept of God as does the Bible. The Bible
teaches that there is only one God; that God is
eternal and not a man. The Bible also teaches that God
is "spirit," which according to Jesus Christ, does not
have "flesh and bone."

In contrast to this, Mormonism teaches that their
"God" is an exalted man, who has a body of flesh and
bone, who also had a beginning as a normal man.
Mormonism also teaches that there are many gods. 37

Our Mormon friends must deal with the question of how
Joseph Smith could be a prophet of God while at the
same time so boldly contradicting the Biblical
teaching on the one God.

Common Suggestions for Dialogue with your
Islamic and Mormon friends

When witnessing to your Islamic and Mormon friends,
always begin with establishing the valid tests to
determine truth from error. Establish and agree upon
two facts: (1) The Bible is the Word of God which has
been correctly translated, and (2) Any new revelation
inspired by the same God must not disagree with what
God has already said. Once these have been agreed
upon, begin your dialogue by using an example to
"test" which they can approach objectively.

When witnessing to a Mormon - use the prophet
Mohammed, Islam and the Quran as examples to "test,"
and conversely, when witnessing to a Muslim use Joseph
Smith, Mormonism, and the book of Mormon as an example
to test. It has been my experience that friends from
both religions will usually test the other religion
and discover how it fails the tests. Once they have
agreed that the tests are valid and that the other
religion has failed the test; simply ask: "Since you
have agreed on the validity of the tests and you can
see how this other religion failed these tests; Would
it be acceptable to you to apply these same tests to
your prophet/religion/scripture book?"

You may also be amazed how well these same tests work
when witnessing to friends involved in a variety of
other religions including Christian Science, The
Unification Church, The Way International, and others.
Truth never changes nor do the valid tests to
determine truth. *




FOOTNOTES ISLAM & MORMONISM:
REMARKABLE PARALLELS BETWEEN THE TWO

1 Dr. Robert A. Morey, The Islamic Invasion
(Eugene, Oregon: Harvest House Publishers, 1992
Edition), p. 22.
2 Josh McDowell & Don Stewart, Handbook of Today's
Religions
(Nashville, Tennessee: Thomas Nelson
Publishers, 1992 Edition), p. 389.
3 Dr. Walter Martin, Kingdom of the Cults
(Minneapolis, Minnesota: 1985 Edition), pgs. 200-208.
4 Dr. Anis Shorrosh, Islam Revealed (Nashville,
Tennessee: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1988 Edition) p.
52
Joseph Smith, Pearl of Great Price, 2:18, 19.
5 Dr. Anis Shorrosh, Islam Revealed ( Nashville,
Tennessee: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1988 Edition) p.
52.
6 George A. Mather and Larry A, Nichols,
Dictionary of Cults, Sects, Religions and the Occult
(Grand Rapids, Michigan:
Zondervan, 1993 Edition) p. 186.
7 Dr. Robert A. Morey, The Islamic Invasion , p.
76/Sandra Tanner, The Godmakers Documentary (Hemet,
California:
Jeremiah Films, 1988).
Dr. Anis Shorrosh, Islam Revealed, p.
52-54/Joseph Smith, History, (Salt Lake City, Utah:
Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter Day Saints) verses 1-75.
8 Dr. Walter Martin, Kingdom of the Cults
(Minneapolis, Minnesota: Bethany House Publishers,
1985 Edition)
p. 170-172.
9 Dr. Anis Shorrosh, Islam Revealed, p. 54.
10 Joseph Smith, History, verses 1-75.
11 Josh McDowell, A Ready Defense, (San Bernardino,
California: Here's Life Publishers. 1992 Edition) pgs.
42-55.
12 Dr. Robert A. Morey, The Islamic Invasion , p.
135/ Book of Mormon: 1 Nephi 13:26-27.
Orson Pratt's Works, 1891, p. 218
13 Dr. Anis Shorrosh, Islam Revealed , p. 30.
14 Josh McDowell & Don Stewart, Handbook of Today's
Religions (Nashville, Tennessee: Nelson, 1992 Edition)
p. 68.
15 The Quran, Surah 10, p. 67; Surah 11, p.
132/Doctrine and Covenants 67:4, 6-8.
16 Dr. Robert A. Morey, The Islamic Invasion , p.
148-151/Dr. Ruth Tucker, Another Gospel (Grand Rapids,
Michigan:
Zondervan, 1989 Edition) p. 56-57.
17 Dr. Robert A. Morey, The Islamic Invasion , p.
133-142.
Dr. Walter Martin, The Maze of Mormonism
audio tape (CRI, San Juan, Capistrano, California).

18 Dr. Anis Shorrosh, Islam Revealed , pgs.
61-66/Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, Second
Edition
(New York, NY: Borzoi Books, 1971 Edition)
pgs. 334-347.
19 Dr. Anis Shorrosh, Islam Revealed , p 77/Fawn
M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, pgs., 270-271.
20 Dr. Norman Geisler, audio tape: Is Mohammed a
Prophet of God? (Clayton, California: Powerhouse
Tapes).
Dr. Robert A. Morey, The Islamic Invasion ,
pgs. 145-147.
Dr. Walter Martin, The Maze of Mormonism
audio tape (CRI, San Juan, Capistrano, California).

21 Angel of Light, video tape (Mars Hill
Productions).
22 Josh McDowell, Evidence that Demands a Verdict,
Volumes 1 and 2
(San Bernardino, California: Here's Life
Publishers).
23 Eerdman's Handbook to the History of
Christianity (Grand Rapids, Michigan: 1977 Edition,
pgs. 89-95; 106, 197.
24 ibid , pgs. xi-xxiv
25 Dr. Robert A. Morey, The Islamic Invasion ,
pgs. 57-65.
26 Sandra Tanner, The Godmakers Documentary,
Jeremiah Films.
27 The Koran: Sura 18:85-86
28 Dr. Walter Martin, Kingdom of the Cults,
185-186.
29 Josh McDowell, A Ready Defense, pgs 42-48.
30 Dr. Robert A. Morey, The Islamic Invasion ,
pgs. 147-151.
31 Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, pgs.
46-49; 58; 72.
Dr. Ruth Tucker, Another Gospel , p. 56-57.
32 Dr. Norman Geisler, audio tape: Is Mohammed a
Prophet of God?
33 Doctrine & Covenants, Section 87; 84:1-5,
31-33/Joseph Smith, King Follett Discourse, September
1832
History of the Church 2:182.
34 Dr. Norman Geisler, audio tape: Is Mohammed a
Prophet of God?
35 Dr. Walter Martin, The Maze of Mormonism audio
tape.
36 Dr. Anis Shorrosh, Islam Revealed , pgs.
107-137.
37 Joseph Smith, History of the Church
6:305-306; King Follett Discourse, as recorded in the
"Times and Seasons" on August 1, 1844.

Paul, we would like thank you for the above inforamation and your permission to post it.

Friday, October 19, 2007

Thursday, October 18, 2007

Oh my are they "Really" calling themselves Mormons?

Growing up in the Mormon Church we were proud to be known as Mormons. In fact we didn't want to be linked in with others that called themselves Christians since their churches were all false. It was true in the 1980's as this video shows Mormons all wanted to be known as Mormons.
Ask yourself why is this not true today? Why are the Mormons running away from being known as Mormons?

Mormon Racism And Interracial Marriage

Follow the Mormon Prophet?
All are the "I Don't Know" Prophets 'cause they follow a false God.

Sunday, September 23, 2007

MOUNTAIN MEADOWS ~ The 150th YEAR COMMEMORATION of the MASSACRE AMERICA'S FIRST 9/11


September 11th 2007 was the 150th year since the horrific day when 120 innocent men, women, and children were brutally, senselessly murdered by Mormon Priesthood in Southwestern Utah. The occasion was marked with several events to remember those whose lives were irrationally taken by religious fanaticism. Two men on horseback lead out carrying the American Flag, Arkansas Flag, followed by a Fancher Wagon, and family members carrying 29 pennants representing each of the family names that were victims of the massacre, approaching the massacre site on September 11, 2007.

On Tuesday September 11th a formal ceremony marking the infamous day was held where were approximately 450 people in attendance. The ceremony began with the Mountain Meadows Monument Foundation leading a procession into the Carelton Cairn site. The procession was lead off by two horsemen, one with the United States Flag and the other with the State of Arkansas Flag. These were followed by a Fancher Conestoga wagon depicting the wagon train and twenty-nine pennants carried by descendants with the family names of the victims murdered by the Mormon Church Priesthood.

Mormon Apostle Henry B. Eyring was in attendance and spoke on behalf of the Mormon Church. " We express profound regret for the massacre carried out in this valley 150 years ago today, and for the undue and untold suffering experienced by the victims then and by their relatives to the present time," Eyring said. He also made a statement of regret to the Paiute Indians, "who have unjustly borne for too long the principle blame for what occurred during the massacre."

Brigham Young expressly blamed the Indians for the massacre when he knew full well they were not the perpetrators of the crimes! Lying for the Lord has shown itself to be acceptable behavior in the Mormon culture through out its history.

Regret is not an admission of guilt; it is simply an expression of sorrow for something that happened. The Mormon Church has never offered an apology to the families of this victims for the killings; an apology would be an admission of guilt.

The Church has joined with many people who say that the terrible events of the Mountain Meadows Massacre should be forgiven and forgotten. In that context, "forgive and forget." the Mormon Church is ignoring its own doctrines. In the book "The Miracle of Forgiveness," written by their own 12th Prophet, Spencer W. Kimball in Chapter 13 it says: "The confession of sin is a necessary element in repentance and therefore in obtaining forgiveness. It is one of the tests of true repentance, for, "By this ye may know if a man repenteth of his sins...behold, he will confess them and forsake them." (page 177). On page 178 of the same book it says: "Perhaps confession is one of the hardest of all the obstacles for the repenting sinner to negotiate. His shame often restrains him from making known his guilt and acknowledging his error. Sometimes his assumed lack of confidence in mortals to whom he should confess his sin justifies in his mind his keeping the secret locked in his own heart."

It is the height of hypocrisy that the Mormon Church screams from the rooftops when acts of violence have been committed against Mormons; but, is dead silent when Mormons have committed acts of violence. The "persecution syndrome" is alive and well in Mormonism and we are reminded of it for any acts committed against them, yet without admission of any responsibility on their behalf, any acts of violence committed by Mormons should be forgiven and forgotten.

The Mountain Meadows was the first 9/11 in American History --- yet the Mormon Church refuses to take the responsibility for this event and therefore, by its own doctrine, cannot forgive for this heinous act of unthinkable violence against unarmed, men, women, and children.

Phil Bolinger, President of MMMF addressed the crowd and read letters from the United States Senators and Congressman from the great State of Arkansas, the Governor, and all 50 State Representative to the Arkansas State Congress, voicing their request that the Mormon Church cooperate with the MMMF in turning the Mormon Church owned property, where the four mass graves that hold the victims of this horrific event lie, over to the Federal Government so the remain of the victims can be properly interred and the area can be turned into a National Monument. The Mormon Church refuses to do so saying "it is not in the best interest of the Church." Again, how can the Mormon Church be forgiven if they won't even accept responsibility for the act, and won't cooperate to make right this terrible wrong? In accordance with its own doctrines, the Mormon Church cannot be forgiven of this awful deed committed by its Priesthood if it won't knowledge responsibility for the action.

The push for Federal Stewardship continues. This was the first battle of the Utah War...an ambush of innocent civilians by the Mormon Militia. All battlefields in the U.S. are properly designated as National Battlefields and appropriately marked as National Monuments and managed by the Department of Interior. Mountain Meadows should be no different. If you haven't' done so, write your Senators and Congressman and ask them to support the Mountain Meadows Monument Foundation's request to have the Mormon Church turn Mountain Meadows over to Federal Stewardship for National Battlefield and National Monument status.





On Sunday, September 9th, a ceremony was held at the main mass grave site, known as the Carleton Cairn, where at least thirty-four sets of remains lie under a twelve foot conical shaped pile of rocks, called a cairn. This event was for the descendants and invited guests.
We were invited by Phil Bolinger, the President of Mountain Meadows Monument Foundation (MMMF), Ron Wright, Bob Fancher and Scott Fancher to attend this solemn event. Each of victims' names and ages were read. When a name was read, descendants were invited to stand and tell something about this person. Of the 120 victims, 90 were twenty-one years of age or younger. Placed on a table in front of the speaking platform were 137 white wooden crosses. Thirty were eighteen inch crosses with a black ribbon bow placed in the center of the cross for the thirty adults over age twenty-one that were murdered. There were 90 smaller, twelve inch crosses with a black ribbon bow for those 90 murdered individuals who were age twenty-one or less; and then seventeen small twelve inch crosses with red ribbon bows them to signify the seventeen children under age seven that were spared and placed in Mormon homes until recovered two years later and returned to family members in Arkansas. After the names were all read and comments made about those murdered, the crosses were placed on the wrought iron fence surrounding the cairn.

No cross has adorned the massacre site since the cross originally erected by US Cavalry, Brevet Major Carelton's men in May 1859. It was torn down when Brigham Young visited the site in 1861 and ordered its destruction.

Monday, September 17, 2007

Henry B. Eyring Voices Regret Over Mountain Meadows Massacre





Mountain Meadows September 11, 2007
Copy of e-mail we sent to Carrie Moore on 9/14/07 in regards to her article in the Deseret News


Carrie:

My husband Rocky and I were sitting at Mountain Meadows on September 11, 2007 when Elder Henry B. Eyring of the Quorum of the Twelve made his statement. During the entire event, I made eye contact with Eyring several times and will never forget his face when Phil Bolinger, president of the Mountain Meadows Monument Foundation handed Eyring, the signed letters from the Governor of Arkansas along with every Arkansas State Representative signatures in office. Eyring was also handed numerous signed petitions from around the US for Federal Stewardship of the site and more are to follow!

Just in case you truly didn't get it here are Eyring's words: "We express profound regret for the massacre carried out in this valley 150 years ago today, and for the undue and untold suffering experienced by the victims then and by their relatives to the present time," Eyring said.

Do you NOT know the difference between the words REGRET & APOLOGY? Notice that "apology" is not listed as a synonym for "regret" in the dictionary.

The world will shortly know just what happen both on September 11, 1857 and September 11, 2007. This will never go away until the American people know the truth and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints more commonly known as " Mormons" does the right thing.

Allow Federal Stewardship of the Mountain Meadows gravesite. What right does a "Church" have owning the gravesite of those they murdered in cold blood?

Saturday, September 15, 2007

2008 Men on a Mission Calendar - Why Would Any Returned Mormon Missionary Do This?

There are probably not a lot of people who haven't seen or heard about these 12 returned Mormon Missionaries. They have even appeared on "Fox News".

Their calendar seems to be a hot item right now, but why would they do this?

The answer is "SIN" that's why!

Another reason is they don't know the Jesus Christ of the Bible who died on the cross for their sins and ours!

The Christ they they believe in as Mormons and members of "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" is just a god, one of many gods. How sad, for the millions that have believed the false doctrines of Mormonism.

One of the major problems with them doing this is just how will they explain this at their next Mormon Temple Recommend Interview!???

Monday, September 3, 2007

September Dawn Interview

KMPH Channel 26 Fox News interview with Frank Kirkman descendant of Wagon Train, Captain Alexander Fancher. The 120+ member wagon train was massacred by Mormons on September 11, 1857.

Friday, August 31, 2007

'SEPTEMBER DAWN' Coming to Mall-8 West Burlington, Iowa on September 14th!


In less than four days from when we were told by CEC Theatres that there was no way to bring "September Dawn" to such a small area as Nauvoo, IL. We have great news for all those on both sides of the Mississippi River..."September Dawn" will be shown in a small Midwest city!!! It opens in Burlington, Iowa on September 14th for one week.
This just goes to show that speaking out can make a difference - our collective voices were heard.

Thursday, August 30, 2007

SEPTEMBER DAWN: The Making of...



SEPTEMBER DAWN: The Making of...
This is a must see movie, that the Mormon Church doesn't want you to see! Why!?

Here is information to watch three television
programs "Truth Outreach" which has Rocky Hulse with guests Phil Bollinger, Bob Fancher, Ron Wright and Scott Fancher, all descendants of the Mountian Meadows Masscre and members of the Mountain Meadows Massacre Foundation.

The three programs will begin on August 20th in the Quincy, IL CTN-WTJR area viewing and KFXB in Dubuque, IA for three weeks. Check your local listings for time and channels.

However, for those not in that viewing area the first of the three programs will begin airing Sunday August 19th on www.ctni.org
Christian Television International "Truth Outreach" programs that can be viewed online via webcast at 9:30AM (EST) and 10:30PM (EST). The three programs will also began airing in Salt Lake City, Spanish Fork and Provo Utah on that date on local channels. Check your local listing for the correct channels in the Utah area.

Watch all our these programs at www.nauvoochristian.org 'Nauvoo Christian Visitors Center"

You will see picture of Rocky and Helen sitting on set of "Truth Outreach" bottom of page left picture. Then when that page comes up, you will see on the upper right side a box which says: Weekly Television Program "Truth Outreach" click that and up will come the link asking what language you want on the program. May you learn much from these three interviews on Truth Outreach.

Now read the reason the Mormon Church doesn't want you to see "SEPTEMBER DAWN"


By ROCKY HULSE

“MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE HORROR CONTINUES 150 YEARS LATER”

As we approach September 11th, Americans everywhere will reflect on the tragic event of that day in 2001; however, we had more than one terrible tragedy that happened on September 11th. As a nation, we are all aware of the horror of 9/11/2001; but few are aware of the horror of the First September 11th. Known as the Mountain Meadows Massacre, this horrific event happened September 11, 1857. On that tragic September day, 120 innocent men, women, and children were brutally murdered by as many as 100 Mormon men under direct orders from their Priesthood leadership.

A very rich wagon train from Arkansas consisting of about 140 people, 1,000 head of cattle, 200 horses, 40 wagons and thousands of dollars in gold was attacked, looted and left with but 17 survivors, all 7 years of age or less. Historian Will Bagley has made the historical connection through the diary of Dimmick Huntington, Indian Interpreter and brother-in-law of Brigham Young, that Brother Brigham ordered the attack by telling the Indian Chiefs they could have the cattle if they would attack the train. The Indians did attack the wagon train on September 6th; however, the seasoned pioneers put up a staunch fight after being surprised and suffering some casualties.

The Indians withdrew under the superior firepower of the pioneers. With the Indians failing to do their part, the Mormon leaders met in Parowan and came up with a heinous plot. Under the direction of Stake President Isaac Haight, and Bishop William Dame the Commander of the Iron County Militia (a remnant of the Nauvoo Legion), Bishop John D. Lee rode into the siege encampment of the pioneers with a white truce flag. He told the pioneers that the Indians had agreed to allow the Mormons to rescue the pioneers and take them to safety if they would lay down their arms. Believing the Mormons to be their deliverers, they did. The wounded and children seven years of age and under were put into two separate wagons; the children’s wagon was driven by Samuel McMurdy, 1st Counselor in the Cedar Ward. The women and remaining children were then led out first. With a quarter mile spacing between them, the unarmed men were then led out escorted with an armed Mormon guard. Once clear of the encampment and out in the open, Nauvoo Legion Maj. John Higbee, 1st Counselor to Stake President Haight, gave the order: “Halt, do your duty.” The Mormon escort guards turned and gunned down at point blank range the men. At the sound of gunfire, Indians and Saints disguised as Indians came from ambush positions and clubbed, stabbed, and shot to death the women and children. The wounded in the wagon were shot at point blank range.

Only the seventeen children were spared because “they were too young to tell the tale,” and Mormon Doctrine states there is no forgiveness for the shedding of innocent blood (children under the age of eight). The children were doled out to Mormon homes and two years later when they were recovered by the Indian Agent, Forney, the Mormon Church billed the Federal Government for room and board. Authorization was made for payment to those who killed their parents in the sum of $2,961.77. Brevet Major Carleton, of the First Dragoons, who first found the killing field in Mountain Meadows, said of this payment: “Has there ever been an act which at all equaled this in devilish hardihood, in more than devilish effrontery? Never, but one: and even then the price was but “30 pieces of silver.”” (Mountain Meadows Massacre, Special Report, 57th Congress 1st Session, House of Representatives, Document No. 605).

The horror of this event lives on today. The Mormon Church refuses to acknowledge any complicity in the wretched event. What is even worse, they have purchased all the land in the area of the killings. Four mass graves still hold the remains of these innocent people. The descendants have tried for years to be granted access to these mass graves to properly honor and bury their dead; HOWEVER, THE MORMON CHURCH REFUSES TO ALLOW THEM THIS SIMPLE ACT OF DECENCY.

How is this possible in 2007? There is no question that the Mormon Priesthood ordered this massacre, and the Mormon Church will not allow the families to properly bury their dead. The descendants of these people petitioned the Mormon Church in 1999 for Federal Stewardship of this area so that they could access the graves and properly honor their dead. They were refused. In the Spring of 2007 another request was made; again denial. Mormon Prophet, Gordon B. Hinckley said, “it’s not in the best interests of the church to allow federal stewardship in the meadows.” Phil Bolinger, President of the Mountain Meadows Monument Foundation, meeting with Mormon representative, Marlin Jensen on April 25th said, “It’s not right for the people who had complicity to the killings to be the grave owner.” He followed up with a sage question, “I asked him, ‘How do you think the Kennedy family would feel if the Lee Harvey Oswald family had control of the Kennedy tomb?”

I thought the Mormon Church was all about families. I guess they’re not if they killed them! This most despicable act in American history lives on by the Mormon Church thumbing its nose at the descendants of those its Priesthood killed.

I interviewed four of the descendants of this massacre on our TV show “Truth Outreach.” The first of three programs will air on WTJR Ch 16 (Mon 8:30 pm, Tues 1:30 pm, Wed 10:00 pm) from Quincy, the week of August 19th; the second program the week of August 26th; the third the week of September 2nd. These programs were hard to film—they’ll be hard to watch; this is a horrid tale that needs to be told.

If you want to right one of the WORST WRONGS in American history, stop by the Nauvoo Christian Visitors Center—we are collecting signatures on petitions demanding the Mormon Church to turn this killing field over to the Federal Government so the families can properly inter their dead. Only the angry outcry of the American public will force the Mormon Church to do the right thing. Tell everyone you know about this!

If you wish to write a letter demanding release of Mountain Meadows, send it to:

Marlin Jensen, LDS CHURCH, 35 North West Temple St.,Salt Lake City, UT 84150. You may call and complain to the LDS Church: Tom Owen 801-240-1000. Call Senator Durbin: 202-224-2152; Senator Obama: 202-224-2854; Representative Hare: 202-225-5905. Get involved, you can make a difference to right this ugly wrong!!

Sunday, August 19, 2007

MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE HORROR ON SEPTEMBER 11, 1857 CONTINUES 150 YEARS LATER!


The Nauvoo New Independent

August 15, 2007

VIEW FROM THE CHRISTIAN VISITORS CENTER
By ROCKY HULSE

“MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE HORROR CONTINUES 150 YEARS LATER”



As we approach September 11th, Americans everywhere will reflect on the tragic event of that day in 2001; however, we had more than one terrible tragedy that happened on September 11th. As a nation, we are all aware of the horror of 9/11/2001; but few are aware of the horror of the First September 11th. Known as the Mountain Meadows Massacre, this horrific event happened September 11, 1857. On that tragic September day, 120 innocent men, women, and children were brutally murdered by as many as 100 Mormon men under direct orders from their Priesthood leadership.

A very rich wagon train from Arkansas consisting of about 140 people, 1,000 head of cattle, 200 horses, 40 wagons and thousands of dollars in gold was attacked, looted and left with but 17 survivors, all 7 years of age or less. Historian Will Bagley has made the historical connection through the diary of Dimmick Huntington, Indian Interpreter and brother-in-law of Brigham Young, that Brother Brigham ordered the attack by telling the Indian Chiefs they could have the cattle if they would attack the train. The Indians did attack the wagon train on September 6th; however, the seasoned pioneers put up a staunch fight after being surprised and suffering some casualties.

The Indians withdrew under the superior firepower of the pioneers. With the Indians failing to do their part, the Mormon leaders met in Parowan and came up with a heinous plot. Under the direction of Stake President Isaac Haight, and Bishop William Dame the Commander of the Iron County Militia (a remnant of the Nauvoo Legion), Bishop John D. Lee rode into the siege encampment of the pioneers with a white truce flag. He told the pioneers that the Indians had agreed to allow the Mormons to rescue the pioneers and take them to safety if they would lay down their arms. Believing the Mormons to be their deliverers, they did. The wounded and children seven years of age and under were put into two separate wagons; the children’s wagon was driven by Samuel McMurdy, 1st Counselor in the Cedar Ward. The women and remaining children were then led out first. With a quarter mile spacing between them, the unarmed men were then led out escorted with an armed Mormon guard. Once clear of the encampment and out in the open, Nauvoo Legion Maj. John Higbee, 1st Counselor to Stake President Haight, gave the order: “Halt, do your duty.” The Mormon escort guards turned and gunned down at point blank range the men. At the sound of gunfire, Indians and Saints disguised as Indians came from ambush positions and clubbed, stabbed, and shot to death the women and children. The wounded in the wagon were shot at point blank range.

Only the seventeen children were spared because “they were too young to tell the tale,” and Mormon Doctrine states there is no forgiveness for the shedding of innocent blood (children under the age of eight). The children were doled out to Mormon homes and two years later when they were recovered by the Indian Agent, Forney, the Mormon Church billed the Federal Government for room and board. Authorization was made for payment to those who killed their parents in the sum of $2,961.77. Brevet Major Carleton, of the First Dragoons, who first found the killing field in Mountain Meadows, said of this payment: “Has there ever been an act which at all equaled this in devilish hardihood, in more than devilish effrontery? Never, but one: and even then the price was but “30 pieces of silver.”” (Mountain Meadows Massacre, Special Report, 57th Congress 1st Session, House of Representatives, Document No. 605).

The horror of this event lives on today. The Mormon Church refuses to acknowledge any complicity in the wretched event. What is even worse, they have purchased all the land in the area of the killings. Four mass graves still hold the remains of these innocent people. The descendants have tried for years to be granted access to these mass graves to properly honor and bury their dead; HOWEVER, THE MORMON CHURCH REFUSES TO ALLOW THEM THIS SIMPLE ACT OF DECENCY.

How is this possible in 2007? There is no question that the Mormon Priesthood ordered this massacre, and the Mormon Church will not allow the families to properly bury their dead. The descendants of these people petitioned the Mormon Church in 1999 for Federal Stewardship of this area so that they could access the graves and properly honor their dead. They were refused. In the Spring of 2007 another request was made; again denial. Mormon Prophet, Gordon B. Hinckley said, “it’s not in the best interests of the church to allow federal stewardship in the meadows.” Phil Bolinger, President of the Mountain Meadows Monument Foundation, meeting with Mormon representative, Marlin Jensen on April 25th said, “It’s not right for the people who had complicity to the killings to be the grave owner.” He followed up with a sage question, “I asked him, ‘How do you think the Kennedy family would feel if the Lee Harvey Oswald family had control of the Kennedy tomb?”

I thought the Mormon Church was all about families. I guess they’re not if they killed them! This most despicable act in American history lives on by the Mormon Church thumbing its nose at the descendants of those its Priesthood killed.

I interviewed four of the descendants of this massacre on our TV show “Truth Outreach.” The first of three programs will air on WTJR Ch 16 (Mon 8:30 pm, Tues 1:30 pm, Wed 10:00 pm) from Quincy, the week of August 19th; the second program the week of August 26th; the third the week of September 2nd. These programs were hard to film—they’ll be hard to watch; this is a horrid tale that needs to be told.

If you want to right one of the WORST WRONGS in American history, stop by the Nauvoo Christian Visitors Center—we are collecting signatures on petitions demanding the Mormon Church to turn this killing field over to the Federal Government so the families can properly inter their dead. Only the angry outcry of the American public will force the Mormon Church to do the right thing. Tell everyone you know about this!

If you wish to write a letter demanding release of Mountain Meadows, send it to:

Marlin Jensen, LDS CHURCH, 35 North West Temple St.,Salt Lake City, UT 84150. You may call and complain to the LDS Church: Tom Owen 801-240-1000. Call Senator Durbin: 202-224-2152; Senator Obama: 202-224-2854; Representative Hare: 202-225-5905. Get involved, you can make a difference to right this ugly wrong!!



A view I wish I didn’t have to write from the Nauvoo Christian Visitors Center.

Wednesday, August 15, 2007

Sunday, August 5, 2007

SEPTEMBER DAWN: The Untold Story

Mountain Meadows Massacre descendants tell the story of the tragedy as clips from the film illustrate their narrative.
The Untold Story:
The detailed Mormon planning of the murders — how they deceived the emigrants, duped the Paiutes into participating and carried out the executions.
In theatre August 24, 2007

Jon Voight Discussing ~ September Dawn and lot more...


Listen closely to what is being said by Jon Voight. Learn all you can about the people in the wagon train that were murdered. Where are their families today? Ask the Mormon Church why they still refuse to tell the truth? Why won't they turn Mountain Meadows over to the descendants of the murdered people? It's really quite simple: The Mormon Church is still hiding the truth. Justice; Fairness; Honesty -- all would demand that the Mormon Church turn Mountain Meadows over to the descendants of these butchered pioneers; however, honesty, fairness and justice are not part of the Mormon Church vocabulary!! Deceit, lies and treachery are the words that describe this event in United States history, all perpetrated by the Mormon Church.

Nauvoo Christian Visitor Center Worker~ Shares a bit of the Outreach while at 3rd year 2007 of Nauvoo Pageant

A few words from Kent who came all the way from Kansas...Also a big thanks to all who helped us this year with the 2007 Nauvoo pageant Outreach. We had helpers from MN, UT, IA, MO, and IL.

"Greetings from Nauvoo,

Last night’s outreach was relatively quiet. Mormon crossing guards tried to tell the outreach staff where they could or could not stand. These crossing guards come from area Mormon wards (churches) and are assigned duties. They are not well trained or up to speed on what is legal. So they can get rather moody when Christians show up to witness. Nauvoo Christian Visitor Center director, Rocky Hulse, set the crossing guards straight.

Brian Hoober was working on the street opposite of the main group. Mormon crossing guards tried to give Brian and Jay a hard time to. Brian told them to call security and they never did. With the Mormons, intimidation is a weapon they try to use.

Yesterday at the Center, Rocky was able to visit with a “jack” Mormon (one who is not practicing the faith) and a Community of Christ (RLDS) intern. It was amazing how Rocky poured every bit of attention into these two men. He did an excellent job presenting the Gospel of Jesus Christ. These followers of Joseph Smith are blinded by their idolatry of following a false god.

I stayed at the Center last night to man it and answer the phone. It gave me some time to let the ibuprofen to take effect to...."

Monday, July 23, 2007

The First Vision - Jesus Christ / Joseph Smith


For more of the uncensored history of Mormonism.
Visit our website Mormon Outreach for more information
Topic Index: First Vision Quilt







Prophecies and Revelations - Jesus Christ / Joseph Smith

Was Joesph Smith man a true prophet? What does the Word of God say about false prophets in Deuteronomy 18:20-22. Joseph fails the test!

Tuesday, July 17, 2007

Nauvoo Pageant 2007...Just Who is Jane Manning?




Joseph Smith’s faithful servant...is it possible that what you see in the Nauvoo pageant here this summer is not just what it appears?

Joseph Smith, Afterlife Slaveowner...Could this be true?


There is a whole sad story out there about Jane Elizabeth Manning James, a devout Mormon woman of color denied the “blessings” of the religion she was loyal to, but just what is it?

If you have come to Nauvoo and watched the Nauvoo pageant have you wondered why Jane walked to Nauvoo? It was because white Mormons would not allow her to ride with them or assist her in paying for passage. And once she arrived in Nauvoo the Beautiful, that “Zion on the Mississippi,” she was either rebuffed or ignored by her fellow Saints, until finally someone pointed out Joseph Smith’s home to her. Once she finally did meet Smith, he made Jane his house servant, and when Smith was murdered in 1844, Brigham Young then took in Jane James as his servant as well. Despite her faithful service to the church and its wealthy presidents, she lived most of her life in abject poverty. She arrived in the new Zion of Utah among the first of the Saints in September 1847, the first free black woman in the territory, only to find that slavery was already being practiced there. Mormon Apostle Charles C. Rich owned slaves in Utah, which must have been a great trial of her faith. The only Western State or Territory to practice slavery was Utah.

She wished to be “sealed” to her loved ones for all eternity just like the white-skinned members of the congregation were allowed to be. For all of her sacrifice, the highest eternal blessing the Mormon church could offer Joseph Smith’s former house servant was to “seal” her to Joseph Smith as his servant forever.

“The words recited at this ceremony were that she was “to be attached as a Servitor for eternity to the prophet Joseph Smith and in this capacity be connected with his family and be obedient to him in all things in the Lord as a faithful Servitor.” In essence, an eternal slave, bound to service a white master for eternity.”

“On April 1, 2005, members of the Genesis Group, along with members of the Missouri Mormon Frontier Foundation (MMFF) and others, joined together in the Salt Lake Cemetery (where Jane was laid to rest in 1908) to honor this faithful pioneer sister and to dedicate the Jane Manning James monument”.

“In the dedicatory prayer, Elder Morrison said, ‘Jane wore out her life in patient humble service to others. May this be a sacred place–a place of peace and contentment, a place where generations may come to contemplate the goodness of a humble, faithful, compassionate soul.’”

Eternal servitude… just the ticket for one who “wore out her life”.

For anyone who might watch this pageant, do some research on just what is being put forth...there is more to the story than what is on stage. Racism promoted and advocated by God's direct oracles on earth - Mormon Prophets and Apostles. Jane's story really is sad and is a despicable display of racism.

Utah Mormons Come to Nauvoo...But Why?

Mormons come to Nauvoo...Read here a few things and learn what Mormons think of Nauvoo and the locals who live here on their blogs?
June 21st, 2007
These are not my words they were posted on a blog by a Mormon…

“As a Mormon “Mecca”, visiting Nauvoo and Carthage is a must. The spirit there and what the early Mormon’s had to endure there is quite moving…One afternoon in the humidity was enough for me and never mind the bugs!

The church owned sites were great. The missionaries that worked the exhibits were very knownledgable and friendly. The shows were top notch and the meet/great afterward left my 4 year old “star struck.” If only we had more time…

The side of Nauvoo owned by the Community of Christ - formerly the Reorganized Church of Latter-Day Saints - formerly part of the offical Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints was a bit odd. The settings were ok and well taken care of. However, to visit the visitor’s center and some of the sites, cost money and viewing of their church commerical which would be ok (they need to pay for the upkeep some how) but what you learn about them is disconcerting given the fact that they control most of the Joseph Smith family sites and consider him to be their founder. The religion isn’t even a shell of what it once was when he headed it. And it makes me wonder if it made the changes because it merely wanted to be accepted? It’s a bit confusing, especially since they still regard the Book of Mormon as scripture yet contradict it’s teachings. It left me a sad feeling for them as it seems they undid what Joseph did and that for their sake, he died in vain.”

I would ask the Mormon who wrote the above one statements…Where in the Book of Mormon is there one doctrine for anything that goes on inside that Nauvoo Mormon temple. You will not find anything that happens in a Mormon temple in the Book of Mormon.

Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Do Mormons Believe They Will Become Gods?...LDS Leaders Speak!

Apostle Marion D. Hanks, 1968

The "conditioned-reflex" version of the behaviorist cannot inspire the mystery and awe and wonder which are the glory of man. To know, instead, that every individual is an eternal person, a potential god or goddess, capable of deep love and graciousness and mercy, more than human, is to prepare us to live with courage and a sense of responsibility, to inspire self-reliance, self- respect, and genuine respect for others.
(Conference Report, October 1968, p.117)


President Lorenzo Snow, 1901

Sunday, 29 September 1901
Salt Lake City. Clear and cool. 10 a.m. Fast meeting at the temple, Pres. Lorenzo Snow presiding. In his remarks Pres. Snow said in part: I know the destiny of the Latter-day Saints. I know my destiny, providing I keep in the path the Lord has marked out. I know what you—brethren and sisters—can reach. We are all the children of God—all that live upon the earth. God loves us all. When Jesus died, he died for the whole human family. He died that we might become Gods and Goddesses in eternity. Latter-day Saints are tried, have their troubles and disappointments. We cannot obtain a fullness of joy in this world. It was not intended that we should. Some will secure a fullness of glory hereafter, and others will receive it in part. There are three glories and other conditions that are not so glorious, and the Lord will bring his children into those conditions. As to the Latter-day Saints, the Lord designs that they shall receive a fullness of Celestial glory, and they are destined to become Gods in eternity. Jesus was God before he came into the world and he was God after he came, while a babe in Bethlehem, but he did not know it.
(Diaries of [Apostle] Rudger Clawson, Edited by Stan Larson, p.318)

Sunday, July 8, 2007

The Occult - Jesus Christ / Joseph Smith

Just think here in Nauvoo the Mormon pageant just began on July the 6th and runs until August 3rd. This is the third year of a "Tribute to Joseph" makes one wonder why this information isn't in the pageant? Just thinking out loud!

Mormons Nothing to Hide in Nauvoo

Ask yourself this question...If they (the Mormon Church) has nothing to hide then why can so few Mormons go inside and no non-Mormons?

Saturday, July 7, 2007

Brent Belnap, Mormon Stake President, Lying To The World!!

The Mormon pageant "Tribute to Joseph Smith" just started last night here in Nauvoo, IL ~ July 6th and runs through August 3rd. The former pageant was know as the "City of Joseph" and this new pageant just continues the half truths and down right lies, we watch that are coming out of this mans own mouth. This pageant now in its third year is drawing those to the "Church" (mormon) and not the Jesus Christ spoken of in the Bible...In Mormonism Jesus Christ is just a god, not God. Mormonism has another Jesus!

Monday, July 2, 2007

Nauvoo Betterment Group ~ Mayor McCarty Speaks His Mind Again?

THE NAUVOO NEW INDEPENDENT - March 28, 2007
"Mayor McCarty responds...
Unfortunately for Nauvoo, we were eliminated from the Western Region choices for a chance to be one of the Seven Wonders of Illinois...What is it going to take to make some people realize that the opportunities are here and we need to embrace them instead of worrying about who will benefit? The truth is: only those who want to benefit truly will. The reason Historic Nauvoo is a destination now is because a group of people have put out the effort and funding to see it through. If we want all the areas to benefit, then I suggest people need to put up or shut up!"
John McCarty,
Mayor, City of Nauvoo


On Wednesday June 20, 2007 the Mayor's Roundtable was replaced with a Betterment Group and was open to all. Everyone was ask to put on their thinking caps, invite your friends, neighbors and come to discuss how to improve Nauvoo. However, when Mayor McCarty didn't like the statement made by my husband Rocky: Mayor John McCarty had this to say in his outburst..."If the locals don't like new development and improvements they can, sell their houses for a lot of money and move the hell out!"





Mormon Racism: Part One

Blacks are now allowed to hold the priesthood but has the Mormon Church removed this curse? No! The Mormon Church is not being honest to African Amercians or those with a black skin. They should be ashamed for being so dishonest!

Exposing Mormonism

"And you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free." John 8:32

Saturday, June 23, 2007

DNA vs. The Book of Mormon

Every Christian should see this DNA vs Book of Mormon DVD. Hopefully some of your Mormon family or friends will watch it also. That is our prayer for the Mormon people that they be set free from the bondage of Mormonism.

Friday, June 22, 2007

Mormon Speaks Out About Trip From Utah to Nauvoo

Read some of the words that a Mormon posted on his blog, you gotta wonder why do they come to Nauvoo? It's Mormon "Mecca" that's why!

"...Share This Says Jeff
Random Thoughts & Observations of Vacation
For all I’ve written about this trip there are still so many things rolling around in my head. For the sake of making a record of them, if only to recall them should we do something like this again...Not only does it rain in Ogallala but it stinks too. I think one of the biggest cattle ranches in the world is there and certainly one of the biggest piles of manure resides there. You can’t plug your nose through it and it does STINK.
The Wendy’s in North Plate, Nebraska sucks.
The pool at the La Quinta in Omaha really needs a cleaning.
Winter Quarters took about an hour of our time and it was time well spent. We saw everything and felt the spirit there.
Fort Madison is closer to Nauvoo than Keokuk and has everything you might night. You will spend $1 to get over the Mississippi though.
The Nauvoo State Park is a park — you camp on grass. Your first impression is that it is a dream location — soft grass to sleep on and fluffy bunnies bounding about give it an air of being comfortable. Don’t believe it. The raccoons are aggressive, you can’t leave ANYTHING out. They also SMELL. The bathrooms were not bad, as far as camp bathrooms go and while I did hear a few complain about cold showers mine never was. Shower early, shower often. Being off the water of Lake Horton means the bugs are plentiful and the humidity there has you sweating the second you get out of the shower.
We had menus all planned for this trip. But other than our first night we didn’t cook at all. Part of that was because of schedules, part of that was because of a change in plans, part of that was because it was just too blasted hot. Eating in town is dicey. Grandpa Johns is a soda fountain that serves burgers and fries. Poor service, extremely slow, lousy at math and barely passable food. The malts weren’t even that good. The Nauvoo bakery was a little better, but not much. Their soft serve ice cream was popular with the kids.
The Nauvoo laundromat was accessible 24 hours per day, cost $1.25 to wash and $.25 per cycle to dry (most loads took two cycles). Their change machine only worked with $1 bills.
The drive from Nauvoo to Carthage takes about 20 minutes.
Keokuk is a pit of a town. But they do have a Super Wal Mart. We bought two cases a day of bottled water for the 8 of us and used every bit of it.
The roads we took out of Nauvoo and into Missouri weren’t all that great.
Was not impressed with the hospitality in Nauvoo, except at the Temple, of course.
Groceries can be purchased at Duck’s market in Nauvoo...but you’ll pay a premium for just about anything else. Still, it beats going into Fort Madison or Keokuk if you really need something.
The best souveneirs in Nauvoo are free: get a free Nauvoo brick at the brickyard, a free rope at the rope making display at the Family Living center, a bent nail ring at the blacksmith’s, and a cookie at the bakery.
The Visitor’s Center offers air conditioned entertainment, something to plan for in the late afternoons especially.
The carriage rides are free but close down if the heat gets too bad.
Take only water and forget soda. In the heat and the humidity that’s what people want. If you want firewood at Nauvoo State Park, bring it with you. It cost four bucks a bundle at Duck’s and those were some small bundles".

Tuesday, June 19, 2007

Monday, June 18, 2007

Mormon Speaks About Nauvoo Temple Day...Another Mormon Speakes About Those Non-Mormons Who Live Here in Nauvoo...Wow!

Temple Day...Jeff
It is nearly midnight and here I sit in the only place in the bustling metropolis of Nauvoo that is open — the laundromat. Abby is here with me, slogging through three days of camp-smelling, kid neglected and sweat-soiled clothes. It is a job that just needs to be done, regardless of the fact that this day began over 18 hours ago.

The plan was for us to meet at the Nauvoo temple this morning at 8am. For us, that meant getting up before 6am and getting ready in church clothes from the camp shower. The camp shower, by far not the worst I’ve seen, still leaves a lot to be desired, especially when getting ready on short sleep. But we’re trying not to murmur, even if after the fact. We knew we’d be coming here on a shoestring, we knew that because of our circumstances we would have inconveniences that nobody else would, and we knew we’d be dead tired through out. But there were times in the early morning hours that I thought we were just plain nuts for doing this.

But in the end the effort was quickly forgotten. We got into the Temple just fine and immediately noted the difference in this temple from others we had been in. The temple itself is “original size”, at least on the outside. But on the inside it is a model of efficient use of space and compact spaces. Mom had a stack of names from our geneaology for us to work on and we first went through an endowment session. It is a rare enough event for me to go to the temple with my parents. But to have both of my sisters there was a delight. To have my uncles and my aunt there just made it the rarest of temple excursions.

We next headed to the top floor of the temple to their biggest sealing room and there we got to witness some very important ordinances. My mother’s parents were first sealed to each other and then my Mom was sealed to them. It was a sacred, emotional event. I was not aware we were coming to Nauvoo to do this work — although Mom and Debbie said it was the plan all along. I’m glad it was and I’m sorry I didn’t realize it. It turned out to be a bonus for me and a sacred capstone to this whole event. Sandy and I not only witnessed this event, we were able to participate in doing sealings for my great-grandparents and a few other folks. A real honor and a distinctive way of putting this whole trip into the proper perspective.

We had left the kids — including Reeves, who had spent the night with Enoch in the 2-man tent — alone at the campground. We were anxiety filled about that for a while but it turned out well, in spite of some liberties taken by a few of the kids.

It was blazing hot today. The heat here is different in many respects. It got up to 96 today, not bad in our world in Utah where it needs to hit 110 in order for folks to really complain about dealing with the heat. But the heat today here was just oppressive. The heat I felt in Puerto Rico, which suffered from even higher humidity, was terrible but at least there you had the offset of ocean breezes from just about any direction. Here, you’ve got nothing to move the heat. It just sits on top of you like a warm marshmallow and before long you feel all your chocolate fudge oozing. It is warm and gooey and sticky and miserable.

Enoch, Allie, and Maggie went with their cousins and explored old Nauvoo. Sandy, Abby and I took Emma and Madelyn out to a mediocre lunch in downtown Nauvoo and then headed over to the visitor’s center — gloriously air conditioned — to watch a little musical production put together by young missionaries called “High Hopes and River Boats”, about life in Nauvoo in the 1840s. It was fun, though Sandy and I found the darkness and the air so appealing that we both dozed off a time or two.

We had to quickly move after that in order to take Abby and Enoch to the Temple with Maurine, Christina, and Tia with Keith and Julia in order to do baptisms. Enoch has gone a couple of times before, but Abby had never been. It was a great place for her to have her first temple experience. I was able to conduct the confirmations, while Keith did the baptizing. This too was a defining experience for us and one made especially memorable because we experienced together with Abby’s and Enoch’s cousins. The Temple is all about family and this trip has taught us that and reinforced that in the biggest of ways.

We went back to where Alan’s family had rented a home and enjoyed their air conditioning and their company for a few more hours before discussing plans for the next reunion 2 years hence (looks like Atlanta next time). By then, we were totally spent. No dinner, little rest, incessantly hot — but we’re happy tonight. We’re modifying our plans a bit because we’ve really neglected the little kids the past two days and we still haven’t seen much of Nauvoo ourselves. We’re going to try to change that tomorrow but instead of leaving on Sunday we might stay through until Monday just to give us a chance at everything.

Mormons come to Nauvoo and tell what they think of Nauvoo on their blogs?
June 21st, 2007
These are not my words they were posted on a blog by a Mormon named Kris

“As a Mormon “Mecca”, visiting Nauvoo and Carthage is a must. The spirit there and what the early Mormon’s had to endure there is quite moving…One afternoon in the humidity was enough for me and never mind the bugs!

The church owned sites were great. The missionaries that worked the exhibits were very knownledgable and friendly. The shows were top notch and the meet/great afterward left my 4 year old “star struck.” If only we had more time…

The side of Nauvoo owned by the Community of Christ - formerly the Reorganized Church of Latter-Day Saints - formerly part of the offical Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints was a bit odd. The settings were ok and well taken care of. However, to visit the visitor’s center and some of the sites, cost money and viewing of their church commerical which would be ok (they need to pay for the upkeep some how) but what you learn about them is disconcerting given the fact that they control most of the Joseph Smith family sites and consider him to be their founder. The religion isn’t even a shell of what it once was when he headed it. And it makes me wonder if it made the changes because it merely wanted to be accepted? It’s a bit confusing, especially since they still regard the Book of Mormon as scripture yet contradict it’s teachings. It left me a sad feeling for them as it seems they undid what Joseph did and that for their sake, he died in vain.”

I would ask the Mormons who wrote the above one statements. Where in the Book of Mormon is there one doctrine for anything that goes on inside that Nauvoo Mormon temple or any other Mormon temple for that matter... You will not find anything that happens in a Mormon temple in the Book of Mormon. Also their words give a pretty clear picture just what they think of the people who live here in Nauvoo. (hmmmm?

A UTAH MORMON SPEAKS ABOUT TRIP TO NAUVOO!

I (Helen) will not say much here just let this speak for itself...However, I found as I read these words below that Kris and her family were here in Nauvoo and I have to wonder why they didn't stop at the Nauvoo Christian Visitors Center while here in Nauvoo? I am sure that all of them walked passed the Center on more that one occasion. We watch Mormons walk pass the Center everyday. Some just look at us, some will not. I can honestly say no one that has been in this Center, since we became the directors in 2005 has done anything other than say "Hello, how are you, Great day, Beautiful weather, Where are you from, or just a smile and wave." I can also say that many will not even smile or say hello in return...that is truly sad. Those like the one below seem to be increasing in number daily.

~*~Blogosphere~*~
Somewhere between Fantasyland and Never Neverland June 18, 2007
Nauvoo Trip Report
Filed Under (Family, Church, About Whatever) by Kris on 18-06-2007
So, you know the drama with the “getting there” and “coming home”. There’s no need to rehash it. Despite the challenges the traveling gave me, the trip was well worth the trouble. On a whole, I will say that the locals in Nauvoo are not too fond of us Mormons. Not sure why. I mean, of the people that I encountered there, the most friendly were the fellow LDS who went out of their way to show hospitality to everyone and they didn’t have to figure out who we were or what affiliation we were. It didn’t matter. For those non-believers (ha ha), they must figure that if they don’t know us and to them, what other reason would a person have to visit a place like Nauvoo, we must be Mormon. Perhaps they’re right but it’d be behoove them to be at least a little more hospitable, especially when they’re taking our money.

As a Mormon “Mecca”, visiting Nauvoo and Carthage is a must. The spirit there and what the early Mormon’s had to endure there is quite moving. I am not so sure that those of us with all the luxuries that we enjoy could handle a smidgen of what they had to. One afternoon in the humidity was enough for me and never mind the bugs!

The church owned sites were great. The missionaries that worked the exhibits were very knowledgable and friendly. The shows were top notch and the meet/greet afterward with the performers left my 4 year old “star struck.” If only we had more time. There was much more to see. I guess we’ll have to return some day.

The side of Nauvoo owned by the Community of Christ - formerly the Reorganized Church of Latter-Day Saints - formerly part of the official Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints was a bit odd. The settings were ok and well taken care of. However, to visit the vistor’s center and some of the sites, cost money and viewing of their church commercial which would be ok (they need to pay for the upkeep some how) but what you learn about them is disconcerting given the fact that they control most of the Joseph Smith family sites and consider him to be their founder. The religion isn’t even a shell of what it once was when he headed it. And it makes me wonder if it made the changes because it merely wanted to be accepted? It’s a bit confusing, especially since they still regard the Book of Mormon as scripture yet contradict its teachings. It left me a sad feeling for them as it seems they undid what Joseph did and that for their sake, he died in vain.On a better note, the main reason for the trip was to come together as a family - immediate and extended - and share memories about Grandma and Grandpa Westover and for the first time ever, attend a temple session together. We also planned for this time to seal my Mother’s parents to each other and her to them. It was a moment long in coming and I was priveledged to be there. It will long be one of my most cherished memories.

Rocky and Helen Hulse

Rocky and Helen Hulse
Defending Christianity From Mormon Doctrine