Monday, September 17, 2007

Henry B. Eyring Voices Regret Over Mountain Meadows Massacre

Mountain Meadows September 11, 2007
Copy of e-mail we sent to Carrie Moore on 9/14/07 in regards to her article in the Deseret News


My husband Rocky and I were sitting at Mountain Meadows on September 11, 2007 when Elder Henry B. Eyring of the Quorum of the Twelve made his statement. During the entire event, I made eye contact with Eyring several times and will never forget his face when Phil Bolinger, president of the Mountain Meadows Monument Foundation handed Eyring, the signed letters from the Governor of Arkansas along with every Arkansas State Representative signatures in office. Eyring was also handed numerous signed petitions from around the US for Federal Stewardship of the site and more are to follow!

Just in case you truly didn't get it here are Eyring's words: "We express profound regret for the massacre carried out in this valley 150 years ago today, and for the undue and untold suffering experienced by the victims then and by their relatives to the present time," Eyring said.

Do you NOT know the difference between the words REGRET & APOLOGY? Notice that "apology" is not listed as a synonym for "regret" in the dictionary.

The world will shortly know just what happen both on September 11, 1857 and September 11, 2007. This will never go away until the American people know the truth and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints more commonly known as " Mormons" does the right thing.

Allow Federal Stewardship of the Mountain Meadows gravesite. What right does a "Church" have owning the gravesite of those they murdered in cold blood?


  1. Actually, apology is one of the synonyms for regret [regret. Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.3.1). Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. (accessed: November 12, 2007).]

    Agreed, it doesn't carry the connotation of abject groveling for forgiveness, but none of those who killed on September 11, 1857, are still alive.

    God grant you His peace. Certainly if you wait for the Mormon Church to grovel abjectly before freeing yourself from this corrosive anger, you may find yourself at that last day still shackeled by hatred.

  2. Your arrogance is truly amazing. Mormonism basks in the persecution and victimization syndrome of rewritten American History - demanding recognition and acknowledgment of any aggression shown them, while refusing to admit their own - but history clearly shows that Mormonism placed itself above the laws of this land, and that is what caused the friction between them and their neighbors, not religious persecution. I find your ability to ignore the fact that the Mormon Church has had 150 years to come clean and do the right thing, quite contradictory to what Mormonism demands of everyone else. It really doesn't surprise me though - as Mormonism has since its onset, placed itself above the morass of everyone else. I thought Mormonism was supposed to be all about families? I guess not, if you're the one who killed them!

  3. It's very odd of you to ask the Mormon leaders of today to apologize for acts carried out by ancestors. That is why regret is used. One, because current Mormons are no more responsible for the MMM than are current Germans for the Holocaust. We can only express regret for what our ancestors did. As a direct descendant of John D. Lee, I despise what occurred on that day and I know those involved will be held to suffer the same pain at judgment day that they caused the Fancher party to suffer as well as their relatives. You really should read more about the massacre, and I recommend books by Juanita Brooks as well as others not written by Mormons. It's very easy to see that despite their differences in opinions regarding Mormons, the basic story of the massacre is the same. You will see that many of the settlers in that territory were also victims of a massacre carried out on Mormons at Haun's Mill just shortly before arriving in Utah. This does not excuse what they did to the Fancher party, but it may explain how their own hysteria from previous experiences led them to commit such a horrific crime. I think we have yet to hear a regret for the Haun's Mill Massacre as well as the law Governor Boggs of Missouri put on the records ordering the murder of Mormons. Do I take offense to the Missourians today who have not apologized or given their regrets? No. John D. Lee's first wife Agatha was near Haun's Mill when this massacre occurred but to what extent her and other relatives were involved I do not know. What I do know is that those families who were alive at that time of the Haun's Mill massacre are the ones who suffered, the same as those living at the time the Fancher party was massacred, and I think I do a severe injustice to my ancestors when I act as if I am owed an apology for something they went through, and I can hardly comprehend. I cannot possibly today even comprehend what they went through as well as John D. Lee's children who were then scoffed by others who knew what he had done. Parents would not allow their children to play with his children. I can only say as a descendant of John D. Lee that any actions on his part were his actions and he is the one responsible, not his descendants, not the LDS church. Every participant in that act whether tried and convicted will be held to answer for their acts. They are the ones responsible. Please don't do your ancestors a disservice by pretending you know what they went through. They know the truth now and they will receive the justice they deserve. I think God is ultimately the only one who is able to bring justice to those who were massacred, since Mormons and those of other faiths know it was not fully dealt with here, and we know that none of us know the full story of what occurred that day.

  4. One more thing, Rocky. I find it sad that you feel you need to stereotype every Mormon into the definition you have. I find that oddly in line with what the few Mormons in Southern Utah did with the Fancher train. They stereotyped them, feared them, then massacred them. I don't see how things can change if people don't start treating people as individuals. If you decide you hate a person before you have even met them, then you only serve to perpetuate the very attitude that leads people to these kinds of sick endings.


Rocky and Helen Hulse

Rocky and Helen Hulse
Defending Christianity From Mormon Doctrine