Sunday, November 9, 2008

Mormonism and Gay Marriage

First let me say, I am opposed to gay marriage. I believe the Bible is quite clear that marriage is between one man and one woman, and I am completely against any attempt to alter that definition. Now, with that being said, I believe that the Mormon Church has an ulterior motive in opposing gay marriage. Their motive, I believe, is not totally centered on the Biblical definition of marriage. I believe they are also opposing gay marriage because of polygamy.

Polygamy? What has polygamy got to do with gay marriage? Gay marriage has everything, in Mormonism’s case, to do with polygamy. If the law of the land where to change and allow gay marriages, polygamy would surely be the next challenge to the definition of marriage. If polygamy was ever to become legal in the U.S., it would be “the straw that broke the camel’s back” in Mormonism. It is one thing to talk in a future tense about the practice of polygamy in the next life, quite another to see it in the present.

Should polygamy become legal the Mormon Church, in accordance with the “Manifesto” which outlawed it in 1890, would have no leg to stand on not to embrace it. The “Manifesto,” written by the 4th Mormon Prophet, Wilford Woodruff, states: “Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise….And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.” As can clearly be seen here by the “Manifesto,” polygamy was only discontinued because the laws of the land prohibited it.

The dilemma the Mormon Church finds itself in with respect to “gay marriage” is that if the prohibition against “gay marriage” falls then the prohibition against “polygamy” would most assuredly fall next. The “Manifesto,” as clearly seen in the quote above, only outlaws polygamy in the Mormon Church because the laws of the land prohibit it. The Mormon Church knows that if those prohibitions were removed and polygamy could once more be practiced freely, it would be the demise of the Mormon Church. Not its prohibition against those of African descent holding its priesthood, not its opposition to the “Equal Rights Amendment”, nor its position on “gay marriage,” could topple the Mormon Church’s house of cards like the issue of polygamous marriage can.

As I mentioned earlier in this article, it’s one thing to address polygamy in some future state as compared to it being a present reality. Mormon women are very good at compartmentalization of polygamy in the future. They rationalize that they will be in an enhanced “Celestial” mental state of purity of body and mind and therefore will be able to see the purity and dignity of plural marriage in the eternities to come. On the other hand, for Mormon women to have their husbands bring home some new teenage cutie as the new wife and close the bedroom door exercising their priesthood mandate of procreation, would be quite another issue.

Reading the journals of the women of Mormonism in the late 1800’s that were victims of polygamy is a walk through the corridors of pure mental anguish. Mormon polygamy was not an institution of beauty and serenity; instead, it was a religious forced situation that burdened the women of Mormonism to the extreme. The thoughts and feelings expressed in early Mormon journals of women trapped in this institution will literally rip your heart from your chest. The mental cruelty these women experienced is heartbreaking.

Nothing would change to our modern day if polygamy would once again become legal. The Mormon Church can tout all day that polygamy is of divine origin and will be practiced in the next life; however, for it to become lawful today would cause Mormon families to disintegrate. Mormon women would not tolerate sharing their husbands with multiple women. If polygamy became legal in the U.S., the only way to maintain some stability in the Mormon Church would be for the current Mormon Prophet to have a “revelation” stating that polygamy is not to be practiced in the Church. This “revelation” would be in absolute conflict/contradiction to the “Manifesto” given by the 4th Mormon Prophet, Wilford Woodruff, who said polygamy was only stopped because the laws of the land prohibited it; but then, how would that be new to Mormonism? Contradiction, conflict and confusion between Mormon Prophets and Apostles have been consistent since Mormonism’s inception.

This writer does not believe that the Mormon Church opposes “gay marriage” simply based on the sanctity of marriage being between “one man and one woman.” An underlying reason that cannot be discarded is the agony of polygamy that would once again plague Mormon households should “gay marriage” open the door to polygamy again! Mormonism cannot survive polygamy; hence, opposition to anything that could open "Pandora's Box" to polygamy must be opposed!!!

Friday, August 15, 2008


A group of Mormons deceived and attacked a group of 137 pioneers whose wagon train was traveling from Arkansas, through Utah, and on to California. There are allegations that Mormons in the Mountain Meadows area created unrest among the Native population by spreading a rumor that the the pioneers were planning go to California and return with an army to attack the Natives and Mormons.

Apparently, many people on both sides died in the initial conflict. The pioneers then surrendered. Under a flag of truce, they were disarmed, and then slaughtered in cold blood. In all, 120 men, women and children of the wagon train were killed. 17 children under the age of 7 were considered "too young to tell;" their lives were spared. Brevet Jamor J.H. Carleton noted in his investigation of the tragedy "that about one third of the skulls were shot through with bullets and about one third seem to be broken with stones."

There was "a popular and widespread impression that John D. Lee was the leader and arch criminal of the massacre." He was made the scapegoat, tried twice, and executed in 1877. There are allegations that the massacre was perpetrated by an underground Danite group. This theory appears to be a hoax since no such group existed in Utah at the time.

Brigham Young led a church cover-up, saying that the Natives were responsible for the massacre. He wrote that pioneers had earlier caused the death of Natives by giving them poisoned meat, and by poisoning some of their wells.


"If any miserable scoundrels come here, cut their throats." Brigham Young

"The Mountain Meadows Massacre stands without a parallel amongst the crimes that stain the pages of American history. It was a crime committed without cause or justification of any kind to relieve it of its fearful character... When nearly exhausted from fatigue and thirst, [the men of the caravan] were approached by white men, with a flag of truce, and induced to surrender their arms, under the most solemn promises of protection. They were then murdered in cold blood." William Bishop, Attorney to John D. Lee.

Wednesday, July 16, 2008


Mountain Meadows Massacre descendants tell the story of the tragedy as clips from the film illustrate their narrative.
The Secret:
The lure of a wealthy wagon train, the Mormon leadership's decision to kill the emigrants, and the 150-year cover-up.

Thursday, April 24, 2008

Character of Joseph Smith - Jesus Christ / Joseph Smith

Meet the real Joseph Smith while watching this video.
Joseph Smith married numerous women and young girls, as young as fifteen, right here in Nauvoo, IL.
The FLDS are in fact just following the teaching of Joesph Smith today. Smith is their founding prophet, and he taught polygamy, as did every prophet up until 1890 when it all went underground.
Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints today carry their Scripture Doctrine and Covenants Section 132 with them to church each Sunday. It says unless you practice plural marriage, you will be damned. The only reason it isn't practiced today are the laws of the land says, they cannot. When the Brethren of Mormonism today state they don't teach this, they are not telling the whole truth only part of it. Case in point, if a temple Mormon has a wife and she dies, then he can be married again in a Mormon temple and sealed to the second one. In the next life both are his wives. If this same temple Mormon man has numberous wives who die and he gets sealed to number three, four, five etc....they will all be wives in the next life. That is the weasel clause for the Brethren to statements " We don't practice polygamy". Yes, they do and the FLDS are Mormons, sad as it is, they are just following the founder Joseph Smith of the Mormon Church. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Monday, April 21, 2008

Lifting the Veil of Polygamy

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints do not practice Polygamy today but only because the laws of the land say they cannot.

Should the laws of the land change, they, LDS Church would because of their current Scripture Doctrine and Covenants Section 132 commands they take other wives.

Temple Mormons know that they will live the life of Polygamy in the next life or they will not be gods.

Friday, March 21, 2008

Nauvoo The New Independent

“View from the Christian Visitors Center” from the March 19, 2008 issue of The Nauvoo New Independent.

The Associated Press reported last week about three Mormon Missionaries in Southern Colorado that desecrated a Catholic Church and shrine and then posted the pictures of their actions on the internet site: Photobucket. A member of the Catholic Church that had been desecrated recognized the photos for what they were and news shot around the internet like wildfire. The following is a quote from the Deseret Morning News: “The LDS Church issued a strongly worded statement Monday apologizing to the Roman Catholic Church for the actions of some of its missionaries in Colorado. ‘Leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were dismayed this weekend to learn of the insensitivity and disrespect shown to religious artifacts of the Sangre de Cristo Catholic Church in San Luis, Colorado, and that Latter-day Saint missionaries were evidently responsible during their missionary service in 2006,’ said Bruce Olsen, managing director of the church’s public affairs department….The photos show young men holding the broken head of a statue, preaching from the Book of Mormon at an altar and pretending to sacrifice one another.” (Deseret Morning News, “LDS Church Apologizes to Catholics,” March 11, 2008)

The Mormon Church has identified the three missionaries involved and states that they will be disciplined by the Mormon Church; also, criminal charges may be brought against the three men by the local authorities in Colorado.

Last year a similar incident of desecration happened here in Nauvoo. A Mormon walked into Sts. Peter and Paul Church, went up to the front of the sanctuary to the votive stand, took the prayer intension book and wrote a full page diatribe against the Catholic Church.

Father Tony brought this event to the attention of the local Mormon authorities who issued an apology to Sts. Peter and Paul Catholic Church.

My question is: Was the man who desecrated the Catholic Church here in Nauvoo ever disciplined? If not, why not? Was it because this event in Nauvoo was never broadcast around the internet or made the nationwide nightly news, therefore, the Mormon Church just dropped the ball hoping the memory would just go away. These kinds of incidents of desecration, vandalizing and such won’t go away unless they are dealt with openly and severely.

Unfortunately, Nauvoo has a history that goes back to the 1840’s of condemning those outside the Mormon faith. The following is a quote from the third Mormon Prophet, John Taylor, when he was the Editor of the Nauvoo newspaper, Times and Seasons, June 15, 1845: “Babylon, literally understood, is the gay world; spiritual wickedness, the golden city, and the glory of the world, The priests of Egypt, who received a portion gratis from Pharaoh; the priests of Baal, and the Pharisees, and Sadducees, with their "long robes," among the Jews, are equally included in their mother's family, with the Roman Catholics, Protestants, and all that have not had the keys of the kingdom and power thereof, according to the ordinances of God.” (Times and Seasons, Vol.6, No.1, p.939)

I believe the Mormon Church owes Nauvoo an explanation of what was done to discipline this Mormon man who desecrated the Catholic Church here and a formal apology needs to be issued from Mormon Church Headquarters in Salt Lake City to the Catholic Church and the membership of Sts. Peter and Paul. Doing nothing will only insure further incidents of this nature will happen again!

Mormon Missionaries Vandalize & Desecrate A Catholic Shrine!
Catholics Vote To Press Charges Against Mormon Missionaries!

Both of these YouTube links above have been removed; they were nothing more than television news reports. Guess the Mormons are doing what they are told: sign up on YouTube and flag anything that reflects negatively on the Mormon Church!

Tuesday, March 18, 2008

Catholics Vote To Press Charges Against Mormon Missionaries!

After this breaking news story, it appears now that there will be no charges against these three Mormon Missionaries (adults) will not face charges for the vandalism.

Like so many other crimes committed by Mormons, it appears this one also will be covered up, just like the vandalism against St. Peter and Paul Catholic Church here in Nauvoo last year. Sad but true!

But wait there have been rumors...that the vandalism was the work of the Three Nephites.

Saturday, March 15, 2008

New Web Site Focuses on Life and Teachings of Jesus Christ

Anyone who views this video on YouTube should ask why has the Mormon Church disabled any comments?

This is nothing more than spam on YouTube by a wealthy Corporation - The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

There are numerous false statements in this YouTube video and no one is allowed to question them. What arrogance; or is it fear?

Friday, February 15, 2008

Mormon Persecution or Defiance of the Law?


On the front page of The Hawk Eye, January 27, 2008, is large picture of a Mormon on his horse depicting the Mormon Pioneer Trail journey. The lengthy article goes on to page 7A. On page 7A is an insert titled “History of the Mormon Pioneer Trail.” The insert states “Political and religious pressure from their neighbors, however, forced them to leave Illinois in 1846.” This statement is deceptively vague.

What the article doesn’t say is why this event happened. Why were the Mormons forced from the State of Illinois? Ask any Mormon and they will immediately tell you it was because of religious persecution. Mormons are taught this by their Church and truly believe this; however, is this true? The simple answer is: No. Was “religious persecution” involved? Undoubtedly. But the real reason that the Mormons were forced from the State of Illinois was the absolute abuse of the law by their leadership. The State of Illinois could simply tolerate no more the refusal by the Mormon leadership to obey the laws of the United States, the State of Illinois and the County of Hancock.

When the turmoil surrounding the Mormons being expelled from the State was happening, the voice of reason was the town of Quincy, Illinois, which was known for giving the Mormons refuge when they were expelled from Missouri.
On the front page of the July 24, 1844 issue of the Quincy Herald Whig, just under 30 days after Joseph Smith’s murder in the Carthage Jail, is an article that clearly defines the total disregard for the law by the Mormon community. This article is more than a year and a half before the Mormons were expelled and gives defined instances of the abuses of the law that were being done in Nauvoo, Illinois. These abuses were the reason that the Governor of Illinois put in place his order for the Mormons to be removed from the State. For the Mormons to claim that persecution was the reason for their removal vice the truth that their leadership was in total defiance of the law is a rewriting of history to garner sympathy from an unknowing public and an active attempt to hide the truth; persecution plays well in the press, defiance of the law doesn’t. The following is a quote taken from the July 24, 1844 front page article of the Quincy Herald Whig, which lays out some of the abuses of the law that were being exercised by the Mormon Leaders in Nauvoo, in direct defiance of the laws of the United States, the State of Illinois, and the County of Hancock: “Who does not know the fact that one short year since Joseph Smith, when arrested by the authority of the governor of this state, upon a demand made by the governor of Missouri, discharged himself from custody by a mock trial upon habeas corpus before his creatures, the city council of Nauvoo, he himself being president of that same city council, as mayor of the city! Who does not know that this successful defiance of the laws of this state, and of process emanating from its highest executive authority, is but one instance out of many. Let me enumerate a few of them. The authorities of Nauvoo have assumed and exercised the power— To establish a recorder’s office for the record of deeds, independent of that provided for by the state laws in every county.

To grant marriage licenses, independently of the state laws requiring them to issue from the clerk of the county commissioners’ court.

To try cases of slander and causes the jurisdiction whereof is vested exclusively in the circuit courts of the state.

To punish by fine and imprisonment persons guilty of speaking words disrespectful of Joseph Smith, and other alleged offenses, which if cognizable any where, belonged exclusively to the circuit courts.

To arrest and annoy peaceable visiters to the city, by vexatious confinement and examination, under pretence of regulating its police.

To discharge persons from arrests upon civil or criminal process from any court of the state, by writs of habeas corpus emanating from the city council.

And they passed an ordinance prohibiting any civil officer to serve process from the state courts in Nauvoo, unless it was countersigned by their mayor, under penalty of fine and imprisonment, which the governor of the state is forbidden to remit by his pardon!”

No one is saying that the Mormons didn’t suffer tremendously when they left Nauvoo and trekked westward; but, they didn’t have to leave. If their leadership would have simply obeyed the laws of the land the Mormons wouldn’t have been forced from the state. The Mormon Church knows that truth doesn’t garnish sympathy, so they promote the story that the reason that the Mormons were “driven out” was religious persecution which is a blatant falsehood!

I for one believe the citizenry of Illinois ought to cry out and demand the Mormon Church tell the truth about what really happened and remove the smear story being fostered against the Great State of Illinois that a bunch of religious Illinoisan bigots drove the Mormons out because of religious persecution. No, the Mormons were forced to leave because they refused to obey the laws of the land.

Thursday, February 14, 2008

Mountain Meadow Massacre Memorial Service 9-11-07

Find out all you can about the Fancher wagon train. At Mountain Meadows, Utah 120 unarmed men, women and children over the age of 8 were murdered in cold blood by Mormon Priesthood leaders and members of the LDS Church. Contact Mormon Missions Midwest Outreach at to learn more. Share this video with your friends and family, they need to see it and learn about this horrible event which happened on September 11, 1857 and could also be called America's First 9/11...sorry to say that the audio has been deleted since we attended this Memorial in 2007.

Friday, February 8, 2008

Wall Street Journal

Mormons Dismayed by Harsh Spotlight
February 8, 2008; Page A1

Mitt Romney's campaign for the presidency brought more attention to the Mormon Church than it has had in years. What the church discovered was not heartening.

Critics of its doctrines and culture launched frequent public attacks. Polling data showed that far more Americans say they'd never vote for a Mormon than those who admitted they wouldn't choose a woman or an African-American.

A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll in late January revealed that 50% of Americans said they would have reservations or be "very uncomfortable" about a Mormon as president. That same poll found that 81% would be "enthusiastic" or "comfortable" with an African-American and 76% with a woman.

The Mormon religion "was the silent factor in a lot of the decision making by evangelicals and others," says Democratic pollster Peter Hart, who conducted the poll. The Romney campaign ran into "a religious bias head wind," Mr. Hart and his Republican polling partner, Bill McInurff, wrote late last month.

"I don't think that any of us had any idea how much anti-Mormon stuff was out there," said Armand Mauss, a Mormon sociologist who has written extensively about church culture, in an interview last week. "The Romney campaign has given the church a wake-up call. There is the equivalent of anti-Semitism still out there."

Yesterday, the former Massachusetts governor said he was suspending his quest for the Republican nomination, following a poor showing in the "Super Tuesday" contests. Mr. Romney made no mention of his religion when he withdrew.

There were many other factors that may have contributed to his failed campaign. He didn't gain sufficient traction among the social conservatives influential to his party. Opponents attacked him, saying he changed his moderate stances to more conservative ones to attract votes, including his position on abortion.

Some observers play down religious bias as a factor. Ken Jennings, a Mormon who was a "Jeopardy!" champion, says anti-Mormon attacks "contributed" to Mr. Romney's problems, but weren't the only obstacle. "I suspect there were bigger forces in play than the religion," such as perceptions that Mr. Romney had shifted his positions, says Mr. Jennings, of Seattle. "There were principled reasons to say, 'I like McCain over Romney.'"

Religion "wasn't a factor in the governor's decision to step aside," says Eric Fehrnstrom, a campaign spokesman. "There was a lot more focus on religion early on in the race, but as people learned more about Gov. Romney, his success as a businessman and as leader of the Olympics, it receded as an issue into the background."


Nevertheless, Mr. Romney's campaign exposed a surprisingly virulent strain of anti-Mormonism that had been largely hidden to the general public.

In December, political pundit and actor Lawrence O'Donnell Jr. unleashed a tirade on the "McLaughlin Group" television talk show, tearing into the Mormon Church and Mr. Romney's faith. "Romney comes from a religion founded by a criminal who was anti-American, pro-slavery, and a rapist. And he comes from that lineage and says, 'I respect this religion fully.'...He's got to answer."

Mormons were outraged. Hundreds complained to the show and on radio talk shows and the Internet, protesting that the remarks about church founder Joseph Smith were bigoted and unfounded.

Mr. O'Donnell, a former MSNBC commentator who plays a lawyer for polygamists on the HBO drama "Big Love," says he has nothing to apologize for. "Everything I said was true," he says. Although the McLaughlin Group says it will keep Mr. O'Donnell off the air for now, neither MSNBC nor HBO plans to take action against him, spokespeople say.


1827 Joseph Smith, a farmer in upstate New York, says an angel named Moroni leads him to golden plates that contain a 'New World' scripture.

1830 The document is published as The Book of Mormon. The Church of Christ is organized.

1831 Mr. Smith and his followers move to Kirtland, Ohio. He designates Independence, Mo., as Zion. Locals drive out Mormons from Jackson County, Mo., two years later.

1839 After a war with locals in Missouri, Mormons move to Nauvoo, Ill., where Mr. Smith eventually becomes mayor. There, Mormon leaders receive revelation that they should engage in plural (polygamous) marriages. That divides the Mormons.

1844 Mr. Smith runs for president of the U.S. Mormons close down a Nauvoo paper, which vowed to expose the group's polygamy. Mr. Smith is arrested and assassinated by a mob.

1846 Forced from Nauvoo, Mormons journey to the West. Brigham Young becomes the church's second president after the first groups arrive in Salt Lake Valley. He later denies black members leadership roles.

1857 Travelers are massacred at Mountain Meadows, Utah; Mormons are implicated.

1862 Ten years after the church announces its polygamy policy, Congress passes Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act, defining plural marriage as a crime.

1887 Congressional act strips the church of its incorporation.

1890 Church president declares an end to plural marriage. The ban is not uniformly followed and it is restated in 1904.

1896 Utah is granted statehood.

1907 Mormon Church leader, Reed Smoot, is seated in the Senate after senators object for years because of the church's earlier stand on polygamy.

1978 Church announces that its leaders received a revelation which allows black members to be church leaders.

1982 Church membership reaches five million. Membership doubles by 1997.

"The vast majority of Americans recognize that one of our strengths as a nation is our tolerance for religions that are different than our own," says Mr. Fehrnstrom, the campaign spokesman. "Sadly, not every person thinks that way, but there's nothing that can be said or done to change their small minds."

For Mormons, Mr. O'Donnell's comments were a rallying cry. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are taught not to argue with outsiders over faith. But as criticism of their church rose to new heights during the campaign, they took on their antagonists like never before, in a wave of activism encouraged by church leadership.

Mormon leaders and church members say they were initially unprepared for the intensity of attacks, which many say were unprecedented in modern times. The attacks, they say, are a sign that their long struggle for wide acceptance in America is far from over, despite global church expansion and prosperity.

On the Internet, the Romney bid prompted an outpouring of broadsides against Mormonism from both the secular and religious worlds. Evangelical Christian speakers who consider it their mission to criticize Mormon beliefs lectured to church congregations across the country. Richard John Neuhaus, editor of the Catholic journal First Things, wrote that a Mormon presidency would threaten Christian faiths. Atheist author Christopher Hitchens called Mormonism "a mad cult" on, and Bill Keller, a former convict who runs an online ministry in Florida, told a national radio audience that a vote for Mr. Romney was a vote for Satan.

"It seems like it's been open season on Mormons," says Marvin Perkins, a Los Angeles Mormon Church member who lectures about the history of blacks in the church.

Mr. Romney was reluctant to speak publicly about his religion. Eventually, senior advisers persuaded him to do so to allay voter concerns about how it might affect his decision-making as president. Comparisons were made to a campaign speech that John Kennedy, who became America's first Roman Catholic president, delivered to an audience of Baptists. Although Mr. Romney's December speech was well-received by political pundits, it did little to move his polling numbers.

That same month, M. Russell Ballard, one of the church's 12 apostles, or governors, urged students at a graduation at Church-owned Brigham Young University to use the Internet and "new media" to defend the faith. At least 150 new Mormon sites were created and registered with the site "People were haranguing us on the Internet," Mr. Ballard said in an interview. "I just felt we needed to unleash our own people."

Normally insular church leaders, with help from Washington-based consultant Apco Worldwide, began a public-relations campaign last fall, visiting 11 editorial boards of newspapers across the country. In another first, the church posted a series of videos, some featuring Mr. Ballard, on YouTube to counter a wave of anti-Mormon footage on the site.

'Member of the Tribe'

Many Mormons were excited by Mr. Romney's candidacy. "There's a member of the tribe that's up there," Nathan Oman, an assistant professor at William and Mary School of Law, said last month, adding that he had not yet decided whom to vote for. "What happens to him is a test of whether or not our tribe gets included in the political universe."

Mormonism began in 1830 after Joseph Smith, a farmer in upstate New York, said an angel led him to some golden plates that contained a "New World gospel" -- the Book of Mormon. Mormons regard themselves as Christians, but some Christian denominations, including the Southern Baptist Convention, do not. They regard as heresy the Mormon belief that Mr. Smith was a prophet and that the Bible was not the final word of God.

The faith's early history was marked by tension and brutal forced exiles, sparked in part by the practice of polygamy by some church members. After Mr. Smith was arrested in Nauvoo, Ill., a mob killed him and drove off his followers. The Mormons fled to Utah. Polygamy fed repeated conflicts with the federal government until the church banned the practice world-wide in 1904. The church has flourished in recent years, and claims 13 million members world-wide.

Old Lines of Attack

Mr. Romney's candidacy revived old lines of attack and mockery of some of the church's unusual practices, such as secret ceremonies, the wearing of special undergarments, and the baptizing the dead in the belief that it will help them join family members in heaven.

Among the most active critics were practitioners of evangelical Christian "apologetics" -- speakers and writers who make their mission to actively defend their faith. For some of them, that involves criticizing Mormonism.

At the Life Point Bible Church in Quincy, Ill., last month, evangelical apologist Rocky Hulse told 35 members that Mr. Romney should not be considered a Christian. Mr. Hulse, a former Mormon, told the group that Mormons believe in more than one god and that they believe God impregnated Mary in the normal fashion, not by granting her a virgin birth. The audience sat rapt.

Scott Gordon, president of the Foundation for Apologetic Information & Research, a Mormon group, says Mr. Hulse is wrong on the facts. Mormons pray to one God, he says, and believe, like most Christians, that Mary was a virgin. Mr. Gordon went on talk-radio shows to rebut claims of other apologists.

In December, while campaigning for the Iowa caucuses, former Baptist preacher and Republican candidate Mike Huckabee asked a magazine reporter: "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?" The Southern Baptist Convention, Mr. Huckabee's denomination, posts essays on its Web site saying Mormonism is a non-Christian cult.

Mormon church leaders, who repeatedly asserted the church's neutrality in elections, had tried to keep out of the political fray. Church spokesman Michael Otterson says they couldn't ignore Mr. Huckabee's comment. Members said it implied that they were devil worshipers. Phones were ringing off the hook at church headquarters in Salt Lake City.

"Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed offspring of our Heavenly Father and, therefore, spirit brothers" from a pre-existing world, the church said in a statement. "Christ was the only begotten in the flesh."

"I'm not impugning the motives of a political candidate," Mr. Otterson said. "But the result of the question was to confuse the situation, not to enlighten." Mr. Huckabee swiftly apologized to Mr. Romney for the comment. He handily won the Iowa caucuses, helped by huge numbers of evangelicals.

(Mr. Huckabee himself may face voter opposition for his religious views. The January Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll showed that 45% of Americans have concerns about an evangelical Christian as president.)

Soon, the Mormon Church began posting its videos on YouTube -- 22 so far. One clip, for example, showed Mr. Ballard, the church apostle, answering the question "Are Mormons Christian?" It has drawn 26,000 views. By contrast, a cartoon clip from "The God Makers," a 1980s film that mocks Mormon beliefs, has been viewed 945,000 times.

Mr. Ballard's call for more new-media activism inspired dozens of new Web sites. On, several Mormons of different political views write about the presidential race. Founder Mike Rogan, of Chandler, Ariz., says he started the blog "to combat some specific misconceptions about Mormons," including that all Mormons are "conservatives with a mindless 'sheep' mentality."

Mr. Hitchens, the best-selling author of "God is Not Great," wrote last fall that Mr. Romney owed voters a discussion about "the mad cult" of his church. Similar commentaries inspired Ryan Bell, a Salt Lake City attorney, to start a Web site, Romney last summer. "Every faith has wacky doctrines," he says, adding that the press seems fixated on his faith's more sensational side.

Mormon fury boiled over after Mr. O'Donnell's appearance on the "McLaughlin Group," when he called Mr. Smith a proslavery criminal and rapist. He said Mr. Romney "was" a racist because he was a member of a church that discriminated against blacks until 1978.

Mr. Bell and others responded on their Web sites that church founder Mr. Smith, who faced many charges in his turbulent life, including treason, was never convicted of any crimes. (At least one Mormon historian says he was found guilty of a misdemeanor as a minor for fraud, but others say incomplete court records make it impossible to determine.)

The allegations about blacks stung the most. Many Mormon historians say Mr. Smith welcomed blacks from the church's inception, had ordained some blacks, and ran on an abolitionist platform for president in 1844. Blacks were barred from being church leaders, they say, by his successor, Brigham Young. Many Protestant churches, Mr. Bell pointed out, were segregated well into the 20th century. In 1978, the church lifted the ban on blacks becoming leaders.

Taking Action

Mormons called on the "McLaughlin Group" to take action against Mr. O'Donnell. Host John McLaughlin decided that Mr. O'Donnell, who appeared seven times last year, will be kept off the air for now, says Allison Butler, the show's managing director. Any apology to Mormons must come from him, Ms. Butler says.

Although Mr. Romney's withdrawal from the race is likely to quiet the controversy for now, many church members believe the turmoil of the past year will have lasting effects.

"There will be a long-term consequence in the Mormon church," says Mr. Mauss, the Mormon sociologist. "I think there is going to be a wholesale reconsideration with how Mormons should deal with the latent and overt anti-Mormon propaganda. I don't think the Mormons are ever again going to sorrowfully turn away and close the door and just keep out of the fray."

--Jackie Calmes and Elizabeth Holmes contributed to this article.

Write to Suzanne Sataline at suzanne.sataline@wsj.com3

Monday, February 4, 2008

Mormon Prophet Hinckley Claims That Polygamy Isn't Doctrinal

This was the interview that the 15th Mormon Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley did with Larry King, back in September of 1998. In this interview, Hinckley categorically states that polygamy "is not doctrinal" and that the the Fundamentalist Mormons have NOTHING to do with the current Mormons.

Gordon B. Hinckley is a liar and all we need to do is study Mormon history and specifically D&C 132, in the current Mormon cannon of scriptures to know that they taught and STILL teach polygamy and plan to live it in the highest degree of Celestial glory, when they're Gods and Goddesses.

Thanks again to Paul Maughan, for creating these great videos, exposing "the REAL TRUTH" of Mormonism.

Here is the transcript of this part of the interview:

Larry King: Now the big story raging in Utah -- before we get back to morals and morality, is -- the big story, if you don't know it, is polygamy in Utah; there's been major charges. The governor, Mike Leavitt, says that there are legal reasons why the state of Utah has not prosecuted alleged polygamists. Leavitt said plural marriage may be protected by the First Amendment. He is the great-great-grandson -- is the governor -- of a polygamist. First tell me about the church and polygamy. When it started it allowed it?

Gordon B. Hinckley: When our people came west they permitted it on a restricted scale.

Larry King: You could have a certain amount of...

Gordon B. Hinckley: The figures I have are from -- between two percent and five percent of our people were involved in it. It was a very limited practice; carefully safeguarded. In 1890, that practice was discontinued. The president of the church, the man who occupied the position which I occupy today, went before the people, said he had, oh, prayed about it, worked on it, and had received from the Lord a revelation that it was time to stop, to discontinue it then. That's 118 years ago. It's behind us.

Larry King: But when the word is mentioned, when you hear the word, you think Mormon, right?

Gordon B. Hinckley: You do it mistakenly. They have no connection with us whatever. They don't belong to the church. There are actually no Mormon fundamentalists.

Larry King: Are you surprised that there's, apparently, a lot of polygamy in Utah?

Gordon B. Hinckley: I have seen the thing grow somewhat. I don't know how much it is. I don't know how pervasive it is.

(skipped two questions)

Larry King: President Hinckley, when the press pays attention to it, it does affect you, certainly, in a public relations sense?

Gordon B. Hinckley: It does, because people mistakenly assume that this church has something to do with it. It has nothing whatever to do with it. It has had nothing to do with it for a very long time. It's outside the realm of our responsibility. These people are not members. Any man or woman who becomes involved in it is excommunicated from the church.

Larry King: Prosecutors in Utah are quoted as saying -- they told "The Salt Lake Tribune" -- that it's difficult to prosecute polygamists because of a lack of evidence; that ex-wives and daughters rarely complain about it. Do you see that as a problem?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Well, it's secretive. There's a certain element of secretiveness about it. I suppose they have some difficulty -- they say they do, in gathering evidence.

Larry King: Should the church be more forceful in speaking out? I mean, you're forceful here tonight, but maybe -- they've been saying that it's rather than just a state matter, encouraging the state to prosecute.

Gordon B. Hinckley: I don't know. We'll consider it.

Larry King: I'm giving you an idea.

Gordon B. Hinckley: Yes.

Larry King: Would you look better if you were...

Gordon B. Hinckley: I don't know that we would or not. As far as I'm concerned, I have nothing to do with it. It belongs to the civil officers of the state.

Larry King: You condemn it.

Gordon B. Hinckley: I condemn it, yes, as a practice, because I think it is not doctrinal. It is not legal. And this church takes the position that we will abide by the law. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, magistrates in honoring, obeying and sustaining the law.

Extra part:

"Gordon B. Hinckley: Let me say that I still believe that right is right, and wrong is wrong. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shall not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness. These aren't suggestions, these are commandments."

Wednesday, January 30, 2008

Mormon Church Defies US Flag Code

The Mormon Church is flying the US Flag at half-mast at the their Temple and Visitor's Center in Nauvoo. US Code Title 4 Section 7(m) states that only the President and State Governors (with restrictions) can issue a proclamation ordering the US Flag to be flown at half-mast. No Proclamation has been issued by the President or Governor of Illinois. The Mormon Church is clearly in violation of the law.
They are in violation of the law; they just cannot be prosecuted by it. US FLAG CODE IS LAW; however, it only applies for prosecution to Federal and State Agencies.

The Mayor of Nauvoo, John McCarty, contacted the Mormon authorities in Nauvoo today, Wednesday, January 30th. The local Mormon authorities said that Salt Lake City called them and ordered the US Flag to be lowered to half mast. The Mayor of Nauvoo told them they were in violation of US Law. The local Mormon Authorities refused to restore the Flag to full mast and said they would call Salt Lake City. The local Mormon authorities called the Mayor back at approximately 3:00 pm and said the Attorney for the Mormon Church said they would not restore the US Flag to its proper place that the Mormon Church was exercising their 1st Amendment Rights. Their 15th "Prophet" died last Sunday and they have every right to mourn his passing; however, mourning doesn't give anyone license to defy the laws of the United States.

Monday February 4th the Mormon Church will commemorate their "Exodus" from Nauvoo in 1846. They will present rewritten history to promote their story that the reason they were expelled from the State of Illinois was religious persecution. This is not true. Accurate history shows the Mormon Church leaders were in defiance of US, Illinois and Hancock County Law, and that is the reason for their expulsion. 162 years later, nothing has changed, the Mormon Church still considers themselves above the law.
Fraud and falsehood only dread examination. Truth invites it.
Samuel Johnson (1709 - 1784)

Thursday, January 17, 2008

Mitt Romney Melts Down/Implodes Over Mormonism Questions #2

Politico...Jonathan Martin
Here are some excerpts from the article:
Mitt Romney engaged in a heated discussion about his Mormon faith with a prominent Des Moines talk show host off the air on Thursday morning. The contentious back-and-forth between Romney and WHO's Jan Mickelson began on the air (video link courtesy when the former governor appeared on the popular program that has become a regular stop for GOP presidential hopefuls. But the conversation spilled over to a commercial break and went on after the program ended, where a visibly annoyed Romney spoke in much greater detail about his church's doctrines than he is comfortable doing so in public.

The footage was captured by the station's in-studio camera and posted on its website. But Romney, who is careful to portray a sunny and upbeat public image, clearly did not know he was being recorded. The candidate reveals a private side that is at turns cutting, combative and sarcastic, but most of all agitated at being forced to defend what he and his church stand for.

Perhaps knowing that the video was bound to get out, Romney's campaign sought to frame the story by posting it on its YouTube site and sending it to a friendly blogger, Dean Barnett of TownHall. Under the header "Mitt takes the gloves off," Barnett posted it last night, describing his preferred candidate as "firm, decisive, authoritative." Asked why they would highlight the testy exchange in which the candidate touches on his church's official stance on abortion, extramarital sex, alcohol consumption and even where the second coming of Christ will take place, Romney spokesman Matt Rhoades said they did so "because it was posted and we reviewed and thought the governor handled the situation very well."

During the show, Mickelson, a staunch conservative, pressed Romney on his abortion views and then pointed out that LDS doctrine discourages the practice. Romney, as he always does, was quick to steer the conversation away from what his church stands for. But Mickelson kept at it when the program went to break.

"I think you're making a big mistake when you distance yourself from your faith," Mickelson observed. "I'm not distancing myself from my faith," Romney forcefully responded. "I'm proud of my faith. There's nothing I distance myself from."

What followed was a discussion where Romney outlined the differences between Mormon dictates and civil law and Mickelson argued that the candidate was hurting himself with conservative voters by trying to "hermetically seal" his private, church-driven beliefs and public views.

The two briefly returned to the air to wrap up the show -- where Romney sidestepped Mickelson's request that the candidate come back to the show to further discuss issues -- before going at it again even more forcefully after Mickelson questioned how much the candidate knows about his own church. Romney explained in great detail what his church believes on an issue that has been raised in the course of the campaign, whether the second coming will take place in Jerusalem or Missouri, before returning to explain what exactly Mormon doctrine is on abortion.

Again asking Romney to come back to show, Mickelson offered, "I hope we can do this so we can expend some quality time on here rather than the sound bytes."

"No, I don't like coming on the air and having you go after me and my church," Romney testily responded.

"I'm not going after your church; I agree with your church!" Mickelson replied somewhat incredulously.

"I'm not running as a Mormon," Romney came back, "and I get a little tired of coming on a show like yours and having it all about Mormon."

"See, I don't mind about it being all about that," Mickelson explained.

"I do. I do," Romney struck back.

The bickering went on, even as Romney was walking out the studio door and pointed out that he's "not running to talk about Mormonism."

The exchange captures one of the fundamental challenges of the role of Romney's faith in the campaign. He does not want to turn off voters who may be wary of Mormonism by talking in detail about what his church stands for, but he also runs the risk of offending social conservatives, like Mickelson, by appearing to downplay his church's strict teachings and playing up the presidency as a "secular office." For many religious conservatives, it's precisely their faith that impelled them into the public square of politics and government. The notion of separating the two is unthinkable.

Romney's task is to reassure these voters that he shares their values and that, like them, he's informed by his faith, but to do so without delving too deep into the more risky terrain of what exactly his church believes. But, as his debate with Mickelson proves, that's not always easy.

UPDATE: I've gotten a little more information as to how this raw footage came to be public. A Romney campaign aide said they didn't know the session was being taped nor did they know it would be posted. Apparently when they found out, the campaign sought to keep the off-air discussion from being put on Mickelson's website. "They decided to post it anyway," said the aide.

In remarks that seem to address the Romney camp's complaints, Mickelson wrote on his station's website last night that "[a]ll of the in-studio presidential interviews are video taped for later webcasting."

"Normally, as in this case, they are shot with two fixed cameras by the webcaster," Mickelson wrote. "He and the cameras are highly visible. The cameras are mounted on tripods just a few feet from the guest and host."

Still, the Romney camp points out that not all the off-air time from Mickelson's other presidential chats made it to the web.

Despite their initial unease over the video going public, Team Romney is not totally displeased at the feistier side of their candidate being put on display.

"Like we always say, the more people get to know Gov. Romney, the more they will like him," noted a campaign aide. "You can be forward-leaning and passionately fight for what you believe in and still be a good guy."

Wednesday, January 16, 2008

Key Tenets of Mormon Faith as reported by the Associated Press 1/16/08

Key Tenets of Mormon Faith
By The Associated Press – 9 hours ago

Key tenets of the Mormon faith:

_Nature of God: God once was a mortal who became an eternal being after a great trial.

_Jesus Christ: Christ was God's first-born spirit child, his only earthly child and the only perfect mortal.

_No Trinity: Mormons reject the idea of the Christian Trinity — God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit as one ethereal being. Instead, they believe the three are separate beings joined in a common purpose.

_Pre-existence and the afterlife: Before their mortal birth, humans existed in pre-mortality and were born in the spirit world to heavenly parents. Mormons also believe in the resurrection and teach that most people will receive some measure of salvation and have a place in a three-level eternal kingdom.

_One true church: Mormons say their faith is not Protestant, Catholic or Orthodox but holds a unique place as "restored New Testament Christianity." Founder Joseph Smith said God told him none of the existing churches were practicing Christianity as it was intended.

_ A living prophet: Mormons believe the head of their church is a living prophet, seer and revelator who can communicate with God.

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