Monday, February 4, 2008

Mormon Prophet Hinckley Claims That Polygamy Isn't Doctrinal


This was the interview that the 15th Mormon Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley did with Larry King, back in September of 1998. In this interview, Hinckley categorically states that polygamy "is not doctrinal" and that the the Fundamentalist Mormons have NOTHING to do with the current Mormons.

Gordon B. Hinckley is a liar and all we need to do is study Mormon history and specifically D&C 132, in the current Mormon cannon of scriptures to know that they taught and STILL teach polygamy and plan to live it in the highest degree of Celestial glory, when they're Gods and Goddesses.

Thanks again to Paul Maughan, for creating these great videos, exposing "the REAL TRUTH" of Mormonism.

Here is the transcript of this part of the interview:

Larry King: Now the big story raging in Utah -- before we get back to morals and morality, is -- the big story, if you don't know it, is polygamy in Utah; there's been major charges. The governor, Mike Leavitt, says that there are legal reasons why the state of Utah has not prosecuted alleged polygamists. Leavitt said plural marriage may be protected by the First Amendment. He is the great-great-grandson -- is the governor -- of a polygamist. First tell me about the church and polygamy. When it started it allowed it?

Gordon B. Hinckley: When our people came west they permitted it on a restricted scale.

Larry King: You could have a certain amount of...

Gordon B. Hinckley: The figures I have are from -- between two percent and five percent of our people were involved in it. It was a very limited practice; carefully safeguarded. In 1890, that practice was discontinued. The president of the church, the man who occupied the position which I occupy today, went before the people, said he had, oh, prayed about it, worked on it, and had received from the Lord a revelation that it was time to stop, to discontinue it then. That's 118 years ago. It's behind us.

Larry King: But when the word is mentioned, when you hear the word, you think Mormon, right?

Gordon B. Hinckley: You do it mistakenly. They have no connection with us whatever. They don't belong to the church. There are actually no Mormon fundamentalists.

Larry King: Are you surprised that there's, apparently, a lot of polygamy in Utah?

Gordon B. Hinckley: I have seen the thing grow somewhat. I don't know how much it is. I don't know how pervasive it is.

(skipped two questions)

Larry King: President Hinckley, when the press pays attention to it, it does affect you, certainly, in a public relations sense?

Gordon B. Hinckley: It does, because people mistakenly assume that this church has something to do with it. It has nothing whatever to do with it. It has had nothing to do with it for a very long time. It's outside the realm of our responsibility. These people are not members. Any man or woman who becomes involved in it is excommunicated from the church.

Larry King: Prosecutors in Utah are quoted as saying -- they told "The Salt Lake Tribune" -- that it's difficult to prosecute polygamists because of a lack of evidence; that ex-wives and daughters rarely complain about it. Do you see that as a problem?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Well, it's secretive. There's a certain element of secretiveness about it. I suppose they have some difficulty -- they say they do, in gathering evidence.

Larry King: Should the church be more forceful in speaking out? I mean, you're forceful here tonight, but maybe -- they've been saying that it's rather than just a state matter, encouraging the state to prosecute.

Gordon B. Hinckley: I don't know. We'll consider it.

Larry King: I'm giving you an idea.

Gordon B. Hinckley: Yes.

Larry King: Would you look better if you were...

Gordon B. Hinckley: I don't know that we would or not. As far as I'm concerned, I have nothing to do with it. It belongs to the civil officers of the state.

Larry King: You condemn it.

Gordon B. Hinckley: I condemn it, yes, as a practice, because I think it is not doctrinal. It is not legal. And this church takes the position that we will abide by the law. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, magistrates in honoring, obeying and sustaining the law.

Extra part:

"Gordon B. Hinckley: Let me say that I still believe that right is right, and wrong is wrong. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shall not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness. These aren't suggestions, these are commandments."

9 comments:

  1. And this proves the falseness of mormonism how? President Hinkley is simply stating the facts of how it used to be and how it is now discontinued. And the people that still practise poligomy today have no connection with the church, although they may say they do.

    The sooner that you accept the only true church on this earth to be your own the better off you will be.
    It would be wise to take this website down because you obvioulsy do not know what you are talking about and that is probably why the first comment for you to get is this one.

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  2. -Matt-
    You truly need to read that the Lord gave Joseph Smith a new and everlasting covenant in Section 132Doctrine & Convents, which is Mormon Scpriture. If those are simply facts of how it used to be, then why has the Mormon Church not remove it completely?
    The 1890 official Declaration (1) Which ended polygamy.
    In which begins with the words,
    To Whom it May Concern: Wilford Woodruff stated "...refain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.
    If you are a Mormon male in good standing you know you will become a god and will practice polygamy for all eternity or in this life if the laws of the land changes/
    If you don't know these things. then you study and get to know the doctrines of Mormonism.

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  3. As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints I do believe that polygamy was instated by a revelation from God to the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. But, I also believe that President Woodruff (who was also a prophet) revoked the practice of polygamy under divine inspiration as well. While it doesn't mean that the practice was instated as a mistake, it DOES mean that it's against the laws of this country and one of the beliefs of our Church is to follow the law of the land. That deals with polygamy as well. It hasn't been removed from D&C because it was inspired revelation, but this didn't stop the Manifesto from being added to D&C as well to remind us all that it is against the law of the States and the law of God. Now, I know nothing about being a polygamist in heaven, especially considering we marry one person on earth and are sealed to that one person for all eternity. Meaning one wife on earth and one wife after death. Mr. Hulse, it appears to me as if you don't fully understand Church doctrine and it may be helpful to open your mind a bit and get to know both sides of the same story. Www.mormon.org is a great place to start as well as the missionaries or myself. We don't lie or cover things up as this Paul Maughan seems to think. Actually, he seems rather immature about his stance on our faith. We do not attack other people's beliefs but I suppose it's expected to be attacked. Articles of Faith 11 says, "We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may." While I think you have some rather interesting things to say about the Church, it would be appreciated if they were true. But, to each his own.

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  4. Sir Thomas More (or less)June 9, 2009 at 1:55 PM

    I've been a Mormon now for over twenty years. Both Matt and David do not understand the Mormon doctrine of polygamy. I think the two have missed the point of this. President Hinckley said polygamy is not doctrinal. This was in response to the comment by Larry King, "You condemn it." President Hinckley wasn't even asked whether it was doctrinal. He could have just responded with "Yes we condemn it", or "We've condemned it for over a hundred years". The manifesto did not contradict D&C 132. It just said we wouldn’t practice it among the living. Do you guys realize that to this day we perform plural marriages? Widowers may be sealed to another wife. They are not "un-sealed" from their first wife first. This is doctrinal and we practice it today in our temples. Let's face it, President Hinckley lied.

    This is no small issue. Some investigating the Church may now join under false pretenses. If we were to observe such dishonesty in the leader of any other organization, we would be critical of that leader. Why do we give the President of the Church a free pass on such things? Integrity does not mean mistakes will not be made, but it does require an attempt to make things right when mistakes are discovered. I doubt you'll ever see the Church publicly correct President Hinckley's statements. Just look at our history in dealing with mistakes made by Church leaders.

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  5. I don't think that when a widower marries a second wife and has her sealed to him,along with a first wife being sealed to him that, that act proves there will be plural marriages in the celestial kingdom. All of God's children must have the sealing power of the temple as part of their salvation ordinances. There are many symbolic concepts not just in the temple but also in the scriptures that have meaning for our learning and progression. For all I know, a second sealing is a symbolic experience to take care of an eternal requirement for entering the celestial kingdom and does not mean one is going to be sealed to that particular man for eternity, although that is a taught doctrine-sealings are eternal. There is much that is not understood by mankind.Why do you have to know all the answers? You can't know all the answers. It's impossible. And we are given what we need to know. Why get all hung up on this stuff? This is the makings of apostasy.

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  6. Maybe the words of Orson Pratt would be apt:

    “We should not get into that old sectarian notion, that we have no right to know anything about this, that or the other, and that we must not pry into this, that or the other. That is an old sectarian notion, which we have fought against all the day long, and we do not want it to creep into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is the privilege of its members to let their minds expand, and to ponder upon the things of God, and to enquire of him, and by and by, when we have prepared ourselves by getting all the knowledge we possibly can from that which is written, God will give more.” -Journal of Discourses 16:336

    Maybe though, the Mormon Church has changed...

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  7. Then again, maybe not..

    “Another strength Satan can exploit is a strong desire to understand everything about every principle of the gospel.” -Dallin H. Oaks, Ensign, Feb. 1987, 68

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  8. The whole argument that the Church no longer practices polygamy because it is against the law of the land is factually in error. Even though Joseph Smith was practicing polygamy long before he arrived in Nauvoo, it was there that Section 132 was recorded and the expanded practice of polygamy began. However, polygamy was against the against the law in Illinois "“An 1833 Illinois state law provided two years’ imprisonment and a $1000 fine for the married man who married another woman and one year’s imprisonment and a $500 fine for the unmarried woman who knowingly entered into a marriage ceremony with an already married man.” (LDS Church Authority and New Plural Marriages 1890-1904 by D. Michael Quinn).

    The argument that "we don't practice polygamy because we believe in abiding in the law" doesn't line up with history.

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  9. On Sept 21, 2010, Anonymous indicated that we don't know the meaning of the sealings to additional wives. Anonymous also concludes that getting all hung up in these things that we can't know everything about "is the making of apostasy". I'd suggest to anonymous to read the history of polygamy from LDS Church published sources. To suggest that these sealings to multiple wives currently practiced in the Church does not mean there will be plural marriage in the Celestial Kingdom is contrary to the teachings of the prophets and apostles. Thinking contrary to the prophets and apostles "is the making of apostasy". Be careful anonymous, I too used to make justifications for problems in the Church. Unfortunately, those justifications had little to do with reality and often contradicted the teachings of the prophets and apostles. You keep it up, and you may end up like me - a complete non-believer.

    BTW - Rocky Hulse, I like your point. I don't think LDS polygamy (where there was more than one living wife at a time) was ever performed in a land where it was legal. In addition, because these marriages were not legally recongnized, the men and additional wives in polygimist relationships were committing adultery. So much for obeying the law of the land.

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