Thursday, April 24, 2008

Character of Joseph Smith - Jesus Christ / Joseph Smith

Meet the real Joseph Smith while watching this video.
Joseph Smith married numerous women and young girls, as young as fifteen, right here in Nauvoo, IL.
The FLDS are in fact just following the teaching of Joesph Smith today. Smith is their founding prophet, and he taught polygamy, as did every prophet up until 1890 when it all went underground.
Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints today carry their Scripture Doctrine and Covenants Section 132 with them to church each Sunday. It says unless you practice plural marriage, you will be damned. The only reason it isn't practiced today are the laws of the land says, they cannot. When the Brethren of Mormonism today state they don't teach this, they are not telling the whole truth only part of it. Case in point, if a temple Mormon has a wife and she dies, then he can be married again in a Mormon temple and sealed to the second one. In the next life both are his wives. If this same temple Mormon man has numberous wives who die and he gets sealed to number three, four, five etc....they will all be wives in the next life. That is the weasel clause for the Brethren to statements " We don't practice polygamy". Yes, they do and the FLDS are Mormons, sad as it is, they are just following the founder Joseph Smith of the Mormon Church. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.


  1. Hello all.

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    Let me know what you think. I've already got a Mormon commenting who is not happy with the flyer.

    - The Pilgrim

  2. Well, once again I must say that we do not practice this anymore. In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, polygamy has not gone "underground." It has been abolished by President Wilford Woodruff in 1890. Every President since then has proclaimed that those who enter into plural marriage are to be excommunicated from the Church until every successive marriage is dissolved. Yes, this is because it is against the law. I'm not going to lie, if it weren't against the law then I'm sure polygamy would be more pronounced and practiced today. The only reason it became illegal was because the Church was gaining political control over the Utah territory and the United States government of the time despised Mormons. The church had already been banished from the eastern half of the country, had an extermination order placed by Governor Boggs of Missouri, and had to resort to migrating all the way to Utah (which was a part of Mexico at the time) just to escape political persecution from the government. The government made no moral basis when polygamy was outlawed because it was simply a ploy to stop the Church dead in its tracks. As you can see, it didn't work. We are still a functioning Church without polygamy. Now, the FLDS are NOT member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for the very fact that they do still practice polygamy. Not only that, but they dissented from the Church in 1890, were excommunicated by the First Presidency shortly thereafter, and live a lifestyle and follow beliefs that are nowhere near the official Church's doctrines and standards. Numerous Presidents have spoken about the FLDS and the simple fact that they are in no way associated with the Church. True, belief in the Restoration, the Book of Mormon, and modern-day prophecy are similar, but the FLDS teaches present-day polygamy, dissociation from the outside world, and the absolute control of their leader. Those beliefs are NOT endorsed or taught by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Yes, D&C 132 is still a canon of scripture but so is Official Declaration 1 a.k.a. The Manifesto which outlaws and threatens excommunication to those who practice plural marriage. Concerning polygamy after death is a different story. True that we are sealed to our wives and families forever and all eternity through the temple marriage and, for once, I can agree with something you wrote: if we marry one wife and she dies and then another and both were sealed to us then that means they are sealed forever, two wives and one husband in Heaven. Something you will find in many Mormon households is that people who lose spouses will simply not re-marry. Reason being: we know we will see them again and continue to be married to them in Heaven. My own personal opinion is that if my future wife dies before I do then I will refrain from re-marriage because I do not agree with plural marriage either temporally or spiritually. It'll just be me and her up there with our family! You may find that many Mormons feel the exact same way.

  3. David this statement is so riddled with errors, it is quite ridiculous. First, polygamy was against the laws of Illinois beginning in 1833 - six years before the Mormons ever arrived. Second, Mormons were never "banished" from the "eastern half of the country." Thirdly, the Mormons issued the first "extermination order" against the citizens of Missouri - sermon delivered by Sidney Rigdon on July 4, 1838, 150 days prior to Governor Boggs reacting to this order from the Mormon leadership. Fourthly, the original "revelation" to begin polygamy by Joseph Smith started out with "Thus saith the Lord." The "manifesto" to stop polygamy by 4th Prophet Wilford Woodruff, started off with "To whom it may concern." Which would you say, if you believed Joseph Smith was a true prophet, holds more weight: "Thus saith the Lord," or "To whom it may concern." Don't get me wrong, I believe polygamy is not of God; however, if I believed Joseph Smith was a "true" prophet of God, then, "Thus saith the Lord," holds far more weight than "To whom it may concern." In that context, the FLDS are more closely following the teachings of Joseph Smith than the Utah LDS!!! David you can "feel" whatever you like; however, you are not in alignment with the teachings of your Mormon Church leadership that have clearly taught over the years that polygamy will be practiced in the Celestial Kingdom in heaven.

  4. I believe that plural marriage was given of God, but I don't believe it should be practiced today. Reason being is because it is against the law. Even if it wasn't against the law I wouldn't practice it myself, yet I'd feel the same way about it. To me it was given of God and is not a horrible thing in the Lord's eyes. Yet, since it has been made unlawful then nobody has the right to practice it, not even the FLDS churches. Does this mean that the FLDS are "better" Mormons than the LDS Church? Not in my opinion. President Wilford Woodruff was also a prophet and if he said plural marriage has to stop then, dangit, it has to stop. He was also inspired of the Lord and received revelation and prophecy and, as members of the Church, it is our duty to believe, obey, and teach those revelations despite them being contrary to the ones posed by Joseph Smith. God's prophets have even contradicted one another in the Bible. At one point in time it was "an eye for an eye," justifiable murder, and all sorts of rituals and sacrifices. Then comes along Jesus Christ who teaches us to love our enemies and turn the other cheek. Not to go after someone who has harmed us. That is a prime example of how the Lord can change His mind whenever it suits Him or when it's to benefit His Children on Earth.


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