Thursday, December 3, 2009

Is the Mormon Jesus of Christmas the same Jesus of Christianity? No!

by Rocky Hulse

January 2003

I truly enjoy the Christmas Season and all that it entails. I love singing the traditional hymns and carols of Christmas. So many of the old traditional hymns tell of the various aspects of that most significant event, the birth of our Savior. In all of its simplicity, no greater contrast exists between Christianity and Mormonism, than the first verse of Silent Night:

Silent night! Holy night! All is calm, all is bright

Round yon virgin mother and child.

Holy Infant, so tender and mild,

Sleep in heavenly peace; sleep in heavenly peace.

I am quite sure that during this past holiday season the Mormon Tabernacle Choir was seen on many prominent TV shows and you probably heard them sing this song. Of a surety, Mormon Chapels across the world sang this song also. WHY? Why do the Mormons sing this song when their doctrine, espoused by their Prophets and Apostles, directly contradicts and denies the virgin birth of our Lord and Savior!

Here are 6 quotes from Mormon Prophets and Apostles that clearly show that the Mormon Church does not believe in the Christian Foundational belief of the Virgin Birth:

BEGOTTEN LIKE MAN

(1) Brigham Young explained the birth of Christ in the following manner: “The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol 8, page 115)

NOT BEGOTTEN BY THE HOLY GHOST

(2) In a sermon delivered in the Tabernacle on April 19, 1852, Brigham Young made the following statements: “I have given you a few leading items upon this subject, but a great deal more remains to be told. Now remember from this time forth, and for ever, that JESUS CHRIST WAS NOT BEGOTTEN BY THE HOLY GHOST.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol 1, page 51

NOT A MIRACULOUS BIRTH

(3) Heber C. Kimball, who was the First Counselor to Brigham Young, making him the second highest leader in the Mormon Church made this statement: “In relation to the way in which I look upon the works of God and his creatures, I will say that I was naturally begotten; so was my father, and also MY SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST. According to the Scriptures, he is the first begotten of his father in the flesh, and there was NOTHING UNNATURAL ABOUT IT. (Journal of Discourses, Vol 8, page 211)

GOD IS A MAN AND FATHERED HIM

(4) President Joseph Fielding Smith, the 10th Prophet of the Mormon Church, made this statement: “Christ was begotten of God. HE WAS NOT BORN WITHOUT THE AID OF MAN, AND THAT MAN WAS GOD!” (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol 1, page 18)

GOD THE HOLY MAN FATHERED JESUS NATURALLY

(5) Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie makes the following statements: “These name-titles all signify that our Lord is the only Son of the Father in flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally. Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.” (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, pp. 546-547) “And Christ was born into the world as the literal son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events,…Christ is the Son of Man, meaning that his Father (the Eternal God!) is a Holy Man.” (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, page 742)

NEITHER THE BIBLE OR BOOK OF MORMON TEACH THE VIRGIN BIRTH

(6) Joseph Fielding Smith, the 10th Prophet of the Mormon Church, stated: “They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I CHALLENGE THAT STATEMENT. The Book of Mormon teaches NO SUCH THING! NEITHER DOES THE BIBLE.” (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol 1, page 19)


The beautiful Christmas story given to us in Matthew and Luke’s gospels most assuredly tell of the virgin birth, and that Joseph was to have no fear in taking Mary to be his wife as the child within her was of the Holy Ghost. Quote number (6) above states that neither the Bible nor Book of Mormon teaches the virgin birth. As I’ve already said in this paragraph, reading the Christmas Story in Matthew and Luke will quickly show that Joseph Fielding Smith was in error in reference to the Bible. Well, he was also in error in reference to the Book of Mormon. 1 Nephi chapter 11 verses 18 through 21 clearly contradict quote (6):

18. And he said unto me: Behold, the virgin, whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh.

19. And it came to pass that I beheld that she was carried away in the Spirit; and after she had been carried away in the Spirit for the space of a time the angel spake unto me, saying: Look!

20. And I looked and beheld the virgin again, bearing a child in her arms.

21. And the angel said unto me: Behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Son of the Eternal Father!…


THE BOOK OF MORMON DENIES JESUS’ BIRTH AT BETHLEHEM

The Book of Mormon states that Jesus was born “at Jerusalem.”

Alma 7:10 “And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem…”

Matthew, Luke and John all tell of Jesus being born in Bethlehem and Micah 5:2 is one of the Messianic Prophecies:

“But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”


The Mormons will argue that Alma 7:10 is referring to “The Land of Jerusalem,” which includes Bethlehem. Look at any map of Israel and you’ll find that area referred to as Judea. I did a word search on Bible software and not one time can you find the words “Land of Jerusalem.” Only one time is Jerusalem called by any other name than being referred to itself singularly: in Luke 24:49, Jerusalem is referred to as the “city of Jerusalem.”


The words “at Jerusalem” are used 87 times in the Bible. Each and every time they mean what they say—at Jerusalem. So, for the Mormon apologists to try to explain away the absolute mistake of the Mormon Prophet Alma in the Book of Mormon—Well folks, that dog don’t hunt! The Book of Mormon, “The most correct book on the face of the earth,” gets it wrong when it comes to the birthplace of the Savior. OOPS!!

JESUS MARRIED AT THE WEDDING IN CANA AND FATHERED CHILDREN

“Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee, and told them what to do. Now there was actually a marriage; and if Jesus was not the bridegroom on that occasion, please tell who was. If any man can show this, and prove that it was not the Savior of the world, then I will acknowledge I am in error. We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into the relation whereby he could see his seed, before he was crucified…I shall say here, that before our Savior died, he looked upon his own natural children, as we look upon ours;…” (A Lecture by Mormon Apostle Orson Hyde, delivered at the General Conference, in the Tabernacle, Great Salt Lake City, October 6, 1854, Journal of Discourses, Vol 2, page 82)

JESUS AND GOD ARE POLYGAMISTS

“…the Son followed the example of his Father, and became the great Bridegroom to whom kings daughters and many honorable Wives were to be married. We have also proved that both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit their wives in eternity as well as in time;…” (Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, page 172)


JESUS PERSECUTED AND CRUCIFIED BECAUSE HE WAS A POLYGAMIST

“The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were “Mormons.” (Jedediah M. Grant, Second Counselor to Brigham Young, the 3rd highest position in the Mormon Church, Journal of Discourses, Vol 1, page 346)


In conclusion, the above quotes show that the Doctrines of the Mormon Church concerning the birth of Jesus and who He was are as far apart as the east is from the west, when compared to the foundational teachings of Christianity! The above quotes show:

1. Jesus was not born of a virgin

2. Jesus’ birth was not a miracle

3. Jesus was not born in Bethlehem

4. Jesus was married at the wedding in Cana

5. Jesus was a polygamist and fathered children

6. Jesus was persecuted and crucified because he was a polygamist.


ARE THE ABOVE TWO PAGES OF QUOTES THE BIBLICAL JESUS OF CHRISTIANITY, WHOSE BIRTH WE CELEBRATE DURING THIS CHRISTMAS SEASON; OR ARE THE ABOVE QUOTES THE FANTASY OF A FALSE RELIGION?

The emphasis in the above quotes are mine.

4 comments:

  1. I am saddened that you feel the need to dedicate the precious time God has given to you in a crusade against Mormonism. Be that as it may, I hope you will at least allow an alternate perspective from a devout Latter-day Saint. Your article is designed to attract attention. It is sensational and, due to length and varied content makes it impossible for anyone to give a detailed point-by-point response to address the myriad of inaccuracies and misinformation.

    I am not here to engage in a debate with you. I believe in Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and the Redeemer of the world. Whether you believe that or not simply does not matter. He knows. And despite 200 years of hate, critisism and debate, The Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints continues to grow and thrive just fine. Articles and websites like this ultimately, and ironically, contradict the entire message of Christianity. Our Savior Jesus Christ continually taught His followers to treat others as we would want to be treated. Surely, you would not appreciate having your personal beliefs attacked and misrepresented. My simple response to your post will be this:

    1. Many of your quotes have been misrepresented to readers as official doctrine. Early brethern of the church often expressed their personal opinions and interpretations of doctrine and scriptures - but their comments should be considered speculation only, and in no way are considered offical church doctrine.

    2. The LDS Church certainly does teach that Jesus Christ was a mortal man, born of an immortal father and a mortal mother. Or, as you may state: "Jesus Christ is God Incarnate". If Jesus Christ was mortal (incarnate, as you will), then He had 46 chromosomes just like the rest of us. 23 from a Father and 23 from a mother. That shouldn't be a very earthshattering concept.

    So, how does that satisfy the concept that Mary was a virgin? I can state categorically that we do NOT nor have we EVER believe God had sex with Mary! We believe in the literal biblical statement that Mary was a virgin. Until the 1970's people had to just accept it was an uncomprehendable "miracle". A holy mystery. In our day and age of 'medical miracles' regarding conception we now know about the possibilities of artificial insemination, test-tube babies, cloning, etc... Therefore, it should not be a difficult leap for any of us to realize there are many ways for a child to be conceived and a mother to still remain a virgin. All of these ways are miraculous, but are also based upon scientific principles.

    The LDS Church has no offical position on exactly how Jesus Christ was conceived. Those details have not been revealed. And Obviously, God doesn't think it is important we know right now. The principle of Faith is very important.

    3. When something is classified a MIRACLE it is because we do not have the current comprehension at this point how it was acheived. Modern conveniences are a miracle. The internet is a miracle. The creation of life is a miracle. Healings are miraculous. However, all of these miracles are also based upon scientific principles in order to be acheived. God our Heavenly Father has the knowledge and the comprehension and thus, the power.

    4. What really matters here is if one beleives in Jesus as the Savior of the World, accepts His Atonement, strives to keep His commandments, and follows Him in word and deed. A beleiver and follower of Jesus Christ = "A Christian". That is what Mormons are.

    Any one of the points you have raised in this article have been thoroughly addressed by LDS leaders, apologists and scholars multiple times. These things can be thoroughly resolved and satisfied for those willing to investigate. I am sure you are hoping people will read your article and take it at face value. To those who desire to find out more, I would invite them to talk to a Mormon, go to the official Mormon websites, and read the excellent articles at FairLDS.org

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  2. mormonsoprano – saddened you may be; however, we are Biblically commanded to “contend for the faith” (Jude 3) and to “try the spirits whether they are of God” (1 Jn 4:1). You chose to cherry pick the Gospels by stating only the Sermon on the Mount; this same Jesus who delivered that sermon confronted the Pharisees and called them a “generation of vipers” (Mt 12:34) and this same Jesus drove the money changers from the Temple. Confronting false doctrines is a Biblical position; and, aren’t you the epitome of hypocrisy? The Mormon Missionaries go door to door telling everyone that will let them in the front door that all of Christianity is false, and the Mormon Church “is the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth.”
    Let me address each of your points:
    1. My quotes are accurate. The Mormon leaders I quoted taught these things. These Mormon leaders are believed by the Mormon Church to be God’s oracles on earth; what more needs to be said. You may not like what they said; however, they are the supreme leaders of the Mormon Church and you're not, so your objections are flatly overruled by their position compared to yours.
    2. The quotes are accurate – your Mormon Church leaders taught that God, that Mormonism teaches is a physically exalted man, is the physical, literal, father of Jesus in the flesh. There are many more quotes than those provided in this piece; so, once again, you may not like it, however your leaders taught it.
    3. Modern conveniences are not miracles; they are physical creations. The Internet is not a miracle; it is a man made creation. The birth of Jesus was a miracle – I believe the Bible. Unlike the doctrines of Mormonism, I don’t need some future super understanding; God created the universe by speaking it into existence. I am a finite man and will never be a god, so I simply accept that God created heaven and earth and provided the miracle of Jesus’ birth.
    4. What really matters is if someone believes in the Jesus of the Bible who has the power to wash away your sins because He took them on Himself on the cross of Calvary. The Jesus of Mormonism is not the Jesus of the Bible, and therefore is a false Christ and cannot save anyone from their sins. As God called Ezekiel in Eze 3:17 to be “watchman” for Israel, I feel led to be a “watchman” to Christianity to warn them of the false teachings of Mormonism as well as a "watchman" to those stuck in Mormonism who wish to find the Jesus of the Bible.

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  3. The "answers" given by mormonsoprano raise more questions than they answer. The quotes, as Rocky has said, are accurate and they are also well known and established as orthodox Mormonism - once upon a time. Don't blame critics for Mormonism changing its doctrines.

    Rocky has quoted apostles and prophets of the Mormon Church, men vaunted by Mormons as the only authorities to speak for God on earth; who are you?

    Why should I believe Rocky? I don't have to because he has gone to the source as far as Mormons are concerned. Mormons say if you want to understand Mormonism ask a Mormon and here we have Mormon leaders speaking. Why should I believe you since you contradict those apsotles and prophets?

    Another thing, I think a man who can lay such great store by men who hold such wacky "opinions" needs his head examined. On the one hand you expect people to take seriously the pronouncements of your apostles and prophets while on the other you feel you can dismiss them with a wave of the hand when what they say doesn't suit you.

    Let me put it like this. If my pastor stood up this Christmas and said the things Mormon Church leaders have clearly said, as quoted here, I assure you that the New Year would find me in a new church, even if it was "just his opinion."

    I do wish Mormons would stop running around trying to put the fire out and realise that the building needs burning down.

    One last thing in response to:

    Surely, you would not appreciate having your personal beliefs attacked and misrepresented.

    Joseph Smith History 1:19

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  4. NICE JOB ON THIS ROCK STAR HULSE! SUPER HERO STEVE

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