I've found so called Christians to be more vicious than those who certainly are not saved; quite a shocking finding on my part. As long as you agree with them, you're golden; however, the minute you disagree you become a pariah.
The "Internet" has also brought out the worst of human character in that the anonymity factor seems to have emboldened many to become quite vicious from the privacy of their living rooms. I dare say, if they were having a face to face conversation with the person they are deriding, the conversation would take a different course.
What's even more noticeable is the absence of true debate over an issue. Instead, debate has been replaced by ad hominem attacks. The inability to defend one's position with facts and reason, degenerates to attacking the other person. This is not only true in our experience with those of the Mormon faith, as we expose the false teachings of Mormonism, but it also has surfaced in a new entity, those who are trying to make their living off the "Internet" in Mormon Ministry. A large percentage of these new Mormon Ministries have been started by those who never were Mormons, but rather express a "heart for the Mormon people." Not to say that there are not those who are sincere and do a wonderful job at reaching out to those whom are lost in this false religion; however, we have been very viciously attacked by some when my husband says: "Being an ex-Mormon, I don't see it that way, and here's why.
We have been "slandered, libeled, undergone copyright infringement, and certainly last but not least, experienced defamation of character." Not our words, the words of our attorney and friend who is chomping at the bit for us to turn him loose in the filing of an action against the offending parties.
Still asking myself: "Is this a result of my disagreeing with them? Is this deemed as a threat to their income?"
The New Testament shows us Jesus turned the other cheek, which we've been doing by not responding to the attacks for several years now. We also see Jesus driving the "money changers" out of the temple for their mockery. Pray we make the right decision here. The decision is coming soon.
Updated: June 10, 2013 "Our Decision" -- It has not been an easy decision. We have prayed about this and others have joined us in praying. We are left with no other choice, except to file charges against those involved posting untruths and false information about us both personally and about our ministry MMMO all over Facebook and the internet.
|Fake MMMO page created by Art Haglund and posted on Rob Sivulka'sFacebook page.|
|Arthur Adam Haglund commenting on Rob Sivulka Facebook page to create 'face' MMMO page on Facebook|
|Arthur Adam Haglund original Facebook Profile Photo|
|Rob Sivulka with photo from 'Truth Outreach TV show' which clearly shows on Google photo is copyrighted.|
Last month Rob Sivulka wrote an article, filled with a number of untruths and slanted to make himself appear innocent of any wrong doing. He attacked us personally using our ministry and our names personally on his website blogs and on Facebook. He took a "Screenshot of our Ministry's TV show 'Truth Outreach' which is on our website and our YouTube channel used only for airing our TV show 'Truth Outreach'.
Was this the fist time Rob Sivulka has taken photos of us off copyrighted websites? "NO" The first one he admitted to doing when Rocky called and confronted him. He had placed a close friend of ours website Frank Kirkman's Mountain Meadow Massacre site right under our photo. Rob, claimed during the phone call he got it off the website; however, when caught in his lie he remove the photo and the website under it. The photo (in question) is also on the back of Rocky's book 'When Salt Lake City Calls' the photo of us was taken at the CTN - station WTJR in Quincy, IL where our TV show 'Truth Outreach" was filmed. After being caught placing two photos he had no permission to post, Rob took a 3rd photo, which is still posted on his blogs and several other Facebook pages and Websites even though he has no permission to use it.
|Rob Sivulka sending private messages to people commenting on the Facebook Fan Page for Mormon Mission Midwest Outreach trashing Rocky and Helen Hulse personally and MMMO.|
|Rob Sivulka sending private messages to people commenting on the Facebook Fan Page for Mormon Missions Midwest Outreach trashing Rocky and Helen Hulse personally and MMMO.|
|Rob Sivulka showing the name of his website CCU blog and directing people on his personal Facebook page to it after it was removed by Facebook for hate speech and harassment.|
Rob Sivulka titled his website CCU blog: "Hulses - Sowing- More- Discord-Among-the-Brethren"
However, who is really "Sowing Discord" among the Brethren with their behavior behaving like this and encouraging others to do likewise?
Does this not shine a bright light on his walk with the Lord, when he is willing to stoop to sending out his own blog to those on our MMMO Facebook fan page?
We would have never known Rob Sivulka was doing this if some of our friends had not contacted us and questioned why they were receiving these private messages from Rob.
Not only is Rob Sivulka sending out his blogs to others, but one of his board members and a close friend of his is doing the same thing.
|Rob Sivulka outrageous lies were posted on the Facebook page Mormon & LDS Facts|
Rob Sivulka's website CCU blog "Hulses - Sowing- More- Discord-Among-the-Brethren" as you can read in the "Screenshot" is signed: "the Facts Admin Team"
Who is the Facts Admin Team? We know one is a close friend of Rob Sivulka and also a member on his ministries board. There are other names we know on the "Facts Admin Team", but chose not name them at this time.
Now, let's set the record straight here. After an Album of photos from the Capstone Conference in SLC April 2013 was posted showing what Rob Sivulka had done was placed on our Facebook Fan page only two people were commenting Russ Bales was the worse, he simply would not stop. He was asked a number of times to please stop. Finally, a statement was put up saying the topic was closed to comments and further comments would be deleted.
We are completely frustrated by the untruths Rob wrote in his blog, including accusing me of putting words in the mouth of a third person who is a friend of ours who commented once. As a last resort, I did what I said I was going to do I deleted the photo, along with all the comments.
Sadly, that gave Rob the opportunity to do what he always does draw attention to Rob Sivulka. So along comes his attacking blog against us. Was this the first one? No! In May 2011 he wrote a blog, attacking my husband for not agreeing with his friend, Aaron yet we chose to remain silent and remained friends with him.
What caused this "Discord"? God knows and God sees everything and He knows who is behind all this gossip and who began and is continuing to spread lies. Those behind this will one day give an answer to Him, unless they repent. We pray they do.
The question has now become --- Who is really Sowing-More-Discord-Among-the-Brethren and Why?
Perhaps, what has now come to light will answer the question. "Who is really Sowing-More Discord-Among-Brethren" and working with whom to do so?
In Rob's blog he states he only came to the "Capstone Conference" for a short time to get a book autographed and had to leave because people were coming to him home. However, was that the truth or is this the truth?
These photos clearly show people were already at his home during the conference, not arriving at his home. While at Capstone as he attempted to get out of Calvary Chapel quickly, he invited others over to his home to join the party. Again, why the lies?
|During Capstone Conference on April 13, 2013|
|Group Watching Capstone Conference April 13, 2013|
|Wendy Jensen , Russ Bales and others having a meal during Capstone Conference April 13, 2013|
|Rob Sivulka posted another attack blog on his website CCU blog|
When MMMO as a ministry thinks no person/persons can sink any lower in their attempts to drive us off Facebook, it happens again: This 'Fake' profile showed up on Monday: Porter Rockwell (Helen Ann Hulse) inserted underneath name .
Why was it created by whom and for what possible reason.
It is vile/vicious and vengeful. it is using the name of the well known LDS bodyguard Porter Rockwell (Helen Ann Hulse) inserted underneath.
Claims to be "Drama Queen" at Mormon Missions Midwest Outreach, in Cedar Park, Texas.
It as links to this page, shares from this page and posted a copy of Rocky's book 'When Salt Lake City Calls'. A link to Cedar Park, Texas which includes our address.
Whoever this turns out to be has added one more thing to the growing list of crimes which have already been committed. It does appear the workings of a very sick individual and a heart filled with evil. However, it is still a crime.
Another thing this "FAKE" profile enjoys doing is publishing this page and then unpubishing it -- Is that to keep from getting caught by Facebook or worse posting more trash leaves it up long enough it gets shared?
We aren't sure and to be honest we don't care. All they are showing is more of the hatred and bitterness inside of themselves.
It is apparent they didn't think it was up long enough to get caught, but it did. Now we have several screenshots for the attorneys. We are mailing off copies to the IRS for their folder tomorrow with this new information to added to the complaint on file.
We are and have been praying for these individuals. We are asking other believers in Jesus Christ to join us in our prayers. As the pain and hurt for telling someone the truth doesn't even compare to the pain and hurt that awaits for the unrepentant in the next life.
|LDS bodyguard "Fake Profile Porter Rockwell" - Using co-Founder of MMMO (Helen Ann Hulse)|
|LDS bodyguard "Fake Profile Porter Rockwell"- Using co-Founder of MMMO (Helen Ann Hulse)|
|John R Merilatt founder of Ephesians2Ministry profile photo which mocks Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. founder of the LDS Church.|
|LDS bodyguard "Fake Profile Porter Rockwell" - Using co-Founder of MMMO (Helen Ann Hulse)|
The source of the above "Fake Profile Porter Rockwell Using the co-Founder of MMMO (Helen Ann Hulse) has been located dated backed to Saturday May 14, 2011
Helen Ann Hulse of Mormon Missions Midwest Outreach
As you get involved with apologetics and start to rub LDS apologists the wrong way you will soon get attention that you may or may not want. I myself could care less for if they are trying to go after me then that just means they will leave others alone. To me some of the comments you see are funny. They claim they are Christian however I will show you some of their comments and I will let you be the judge of that.
The original title of this blog was "Oh the Child's Play" because I had the pleasure of noticing that a certain Anti-Christian (LDS apologists)or so I thought, who went under a fake facebook profile by the name of Porter Rockwell had become fascinated with me. For the privacy of others that were involved I will stick with their first names only but I'm sure most of you will know who they are. Because the person in question has decided to go after our ministry I decided to play right back by letting them notice my profile picture. Sure enough it didn't take long however their reaction went even further than I expected. This is exactly what you need to be aware of because this is the real reflection of their hearts of which God is no part of it. This is how the conversation started.
What makes the following conversation more interesting is the fact of who was behind Porter Rockwell. That's right it is a so called "Christian" who runs a 501c3 ministry to Mormons. I never could understand why an apologist would invest the time to try and research my past and it turns out they didn't. Because I told this person over Skype the information who then in turn tried to use the information to make me look bad. Who is this person you ask? Helen Ann Hulse of Mormon Missions Midwest Outreach. I have wanted to avoid bringing up issues like this because I was wanting her to leave the past in the past. Now that she insist on trying to run peoples names through the mud I thought some of you might be interested in knowing the reality behind her so called "Christianity". Feel free to view her confession and then please feel free to read how she hides behind the image of an LDS Danite.
Why is this important you may ask. Well for years Helen has cried that her ministry has been under attack by a few people on facebook. Funny thing is most of the information that was being fed to them if not ALL of it was being done so by Porter Rockwells profile. Why the need for this? Now that she has gotten rid of the Porter profile she has turned her attention to any and all people who have once helped her or stood up against her un-Christ like behavior. FYI When the following conversation took place I was under the impression I was talking with a Mormon.
John Merilatt - Porter. You seem intimidated by my pic. I'm messing with you and I? I live in Vancouver Washington. Feel free to swing my way. I'll have coffee waiting.
Porter - You are a joke. Me intimidated by you John? Now that's funny!
John Merilatt - I'm not saying you are. I am just going off your posting.
Porter - You've never been Mormon so what the hell are you up too?
John Merilatt - You are correct. I've never been. Does that disqualify me from wanting to share the Gospel with the LDS?
Porter - keep your gospel
John Merilatt - I will. And I will also share it with those who know hey can' live up to yours. God Bless.
Porter - use your wives face cream or make remover on the photo... you don't look good like a joker or clown.
John Merilatt - You are correct I don't. However Joseph and his religion of many colors does.
Now at this point since he knows she won't convince me of "the error of my ways" the normal thing you will see them do is go character assassination mode. They do this in order to get you upset or to get you frustrated to the point you may say something you normally wouldn't.
Porter - get some dental work done!
John Merilatt - Wow. That is the best you can come up with?
John Merilatt - Please. If you want to play children's games there are playgrounds for that.
Porter - you would know, right?
John Merilatt - You are correct. I have 2 little ones. A part of being a parent.
Porter - Ha!
John Merilatt - Le me know when you've matured a little. I'll be around.
At this point she tried to make the conversation even more personal. She heard my past and tried to use it against me as if I have something to hide. So for those of you who do care let me explain part of my past. After graduating college I got married and moved from a town I refer to as Hickville Oregon up to Vancouver Washington. I then entered the U.S. Air Force Reserves. Upon completion of training it was clear that my wife and I had a separation between us and I couldn't figure out why for some time. After some time passed the truth came out that while I was gone my wife was unfaithful. We attempted to work things out but divorce came and we moved on. This brings me to her next attack.
Porter - with your two wives?
John Merilatt - Your the one who's LDS. You should know more about that than me. It isn't in my doctrine.
Porter - I didn't divorce my wives, you did...
John Merilat - You act like I have something to hid. Yes I am divorced. And I had every Biblical reason to do so. As if that is any of your business.
Now if this is not enough here are some other comments made on Porters page.
Greg - I would like to see John Merilatt and any of his supporters give a picture of Mohammed the same treatment and then post that on a Facebook page for Muslims. It's easy to kick a target that doesn't fight back. It doesn't take bravery to be a bully.
Well Greg Islam is not a religion we know enough about to make that kind of reference to. Even then Greg they don't claim to use the Bible like you do. I also love the reference to kicking a target that doesn't fight back. Joseph insulted us from the very beginning and your pride refuses to allow you move past petty games. Last but not least "It doesn't take bravery to be a bully." You are correct, for you go a lot farther than I ever would. I have never gone after your personal character or anyone else's in order to scare them off. To bad it doesn't work with me.
Peter - The example of John Merilatt and his ministry is the main reason why I do not trust any ministry what so ever when it claims to care to love Mormons, not that I am asking for care or love. I know my Church is True and that I have a living Prophet that leads me and that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Brother and I say these things in his name..... Amen
Well Peter I wouldn't expect you to trust us. Our goal is to help those in bondage that want a way out to find one. It isn't for Anti-Christians such as yourself. I would ask you this question. If you see a dear friend of yours walking into a field with countless land mines would you keep your mouth shut or allow them to believe what they want? We all know what you "Know". I always love how when there is nothing else to say or you don't have an answer you have to tell yourselves again what you "Know".
This one is one of my favorites...
Peter - I know ha all these ministries that claim o reach out to Mormons are controlled and being led by the children of Satan....... Yes I did say that..... if you have proof that you follow Jesus Christ then give it and don' play games..... if not then go back to Hell with Satan and don't let the doors of Hell hit you in the Ass.
Really? At this point his true colors have come out. So any group that reaches out to Mormons is controlled by Satan huh? Do I have proof I follow Jesus. Absolutely I do. I give my life to serving him however he calls me to. It just so happens that he has laid it upon my heart to try and reach the LDS and JW's. You both claim to be the only true church and organization that can speak for God and yet neither of you have valid answers to Biblical questions we ask. You in turn spit out responses like the one we see here. Can't you just feel the love with his comments?
Last but certainly not least...
Gregory - John, did you forge to wear your WWJD bracelet yesterday? this isn't very nice.
Well Greg. What would Jesus do? What did he do is the better question. Jesus stood up against those who were perverting his Gospel. Jesus got angry at those who were making a mockery out of his house. He claimed to be the only way of which was not open to interpretation or feelings. He claimed to be the great "I am". We as Christians are called to be salt and light. Salt on an open wound hurts doesn't it? If you don't know try it and get back to me. Ever turned the lights on after having been in a dark room sleeping? Why not look into what the long term affects of being subjected to intense light can do and get back to me.
I hope Helen understands that I want no harm to come to her. I pray that she stops her campaign before she ruins what reputation she has left. Upon confession, and promise to stop her smear campaigns this article will be removed. Because things like this have to stop.
May God bless you and keep you safe.
It's now July 18, 2013 yet Arthur Haglund aka presidentin08 claims he has 'NEVER' created a blog, when the facts show otherwise and it remains on Courageous Christians Untied website under News since May 2013.
|Click here for blog.|
Libel vs. slander
Libel is the use of false, defamatory claims about someone in written or printed form. Slander likewise denotes false statements that damage a person’s reputation, but it is committed orally or in any other transient form. Both words have complex legal definitions and connotations, which we won’t explore here. Legal complications aside, all you need to remember is that libel is written and slander is spoken. Slander is also often used informally as a synonym of defamation. Both words function as both nouns and verbs.
Names of those who have posted outrageous lies in the order they were posted:
1). R. M. Sivulka
April 29, 2013
Updated May 2, 2013
2). Lori Vogt says...
3). Sandi Roberts says...
4). Princess Surjopolos says...
5). Desiree Hollis says...
6). Suzanne Witt says...
7). Wendy Jensen says...
8). Arthur Haglund says...
9). Ron Flinders says...
10). J.R. Merilatt says...
11). Russ Bales says...
12). Steve Dealy says...
13). Joey Ferguson (Tibbits) says...
14). Princess Surjopolos says...
15). Russ Bales says...
16). J.R. Merilatt says...
17). Sharon Taylor says...
18). Rob Sivulka says...
19). Princess Surjopolos says...
20). Arthur Haglund says...
21). Joey says...
22. Russ Bales says...
23). Princess Surjopolos says...
24). Joey says...
25). J.R. Merilatt says...
26). Einstein says...
27). Arthur Adam Haglund says...
28). Ricky Szewczyk says...
There were only a few comments by others than the names listed above, thus their names were not included. We are not sure why they would comment in the manner they did without contacting us directly nor knowing the whole story.
It's an important thing all of us should remember; when one hears or reads something be careful you don't get a hold of the wrong half.
As a result of the website/blog by Sivulka we discovered another blog dated May 14, 2011 written by J. R. Merilatt which had few comments on it. We had no idea it had been written and were completely unaware of it.
However, one thing stands out in Merilatt's blog it's the same group of names and a connection with Merilatt, her name is Wendy Jensen.
Update: August 26, 2013
We were notified Rob Sivulka cannot stop with his hatred and his drama using us and this ministry to get attention. On August 20, 2013 he's back posting on his personal Facebook page attempting to get himself attention with the same old group of names and the same old re-hashed 'Lies' having just finished reading what Rob posted and the email he says he receive.
Here's some free advice Rob - Reread the email clearly written by one of those involved in the the slander/libel and it to can be traced by its IP address. It didn't take long to trace the email, it came from the UK.
Helen told me a long time ago not to get involved with other ministries and not to trust some of the Salt Lake ministries. All tho I have kept clear of ministries over the past two year, Helen still from time to time sends me messages telling me to be careful and not to trust anyone. I realised a long time ago that the only person I could trust was myself so pulled away from MMMO and then started to be attacked by both Rocky and Helen with the help of a number of others.
When I visit my ... home usually twice a year, Helen once asked me if I could attend any meet up groups and let her know what was done. I never attended any groups.
I felt that I was being used so ran back to the church for safety and that's when the full scale attack on me started by Helen. it resulted me in reporting MMMO to Facebook and involving my legal team whom contacted the local sheriffs department in Helen's home town of Round Rock.
Helen removed all comments from her Facebook page and her MMMO page after Facebook blocked her pages for a number of times.
I hope this gives a little insight."
August 20 at 5:15pm · Like · 1"
You are digging your own holes deeper and deeper with gossip. Should you not stop for a moment and think of the damage you have already caused and are causing by passing hearsay from person to person? How is this leading anyone out of Mormonism or the world? Have any of you shared the gospel of Jesus Christ in one of your comments or have you all repeated the same false things spread about us and MMMO?
Rob Sivulka , this certainly shows a mature Christian minister (street preacher) as he likes to known. You block us to keep us from seeing your Facebook page. Really, why? Might you think you can continue the lying and having others believe those lies without knowing or seeing both side? The answer to that one is "Yes". Why? It is the same group of people who continue to slander our names and agree with your whining.
Everyone else deserves the answer to these three questions, Rob Sivulka.
1). Where was this email sent from (what country)?
2). Did you make friends with him after he provided the above email filled with his lies against us and MMMO?
3). Did you attempt to verify one word in his email or even who he was?
You either knew and posted his lying email or you wanted to believe his lies so badly you simply posted them without finding our who in fact he is. Either way, it was shameful and disgraceful behavior from someone in Christian ministry.
Since you, Rob Sivulka refuse to answer these three questions, we are doing it for you.
1). the email came from the UK
2). Yes, you made friends with him. He is using the name Pete R. Mako
This guy has used numerous names he is a pathological liar and has been pretending to be an ex-Mormon for many years on the MIT forum board and has fooled several people. Yet, several of those commenting on your current Facebook topic Rob Sivulka
Just got this email... "I left the Mormon church a few years ago but due to actions of the Hulses I was driven back to the Lds Church for safety. again I have gone inactive from the Church and thinking of leaving altogether"
What do all of you care more about smearing us or sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ with those who don't know Him as their Lord and Savior?
Update: September 11, 2013 - You all revealed who today - All these screenshots speak for themselves.
|Names of people on CCU|
|Names of people on CCU #2|
|Private Messages Sent to us on Facebook by Arthur Adam Haglund|
We are as ministry do not use funds donated to MMMO to support ourselves. Rocky is a retired Naval Officer, 33 years on active duty and receives the retirement he earned. He currently works a full-time job. We don't live off of other people's money, we work.
Updated 9/12/13 - As of today here is proof this is still posted and we are being discussed on Rob Rob Sivulka'a Facebook personal page. We are accused of being in ministry for no other reason than other people's money and the sale of Rocky's book. This is an outrageous lie!
|Lori Vogt telling others to report MMMO fan page on Facebook to get it removed.|
|Update 9/17/13 - There is going to be evidence posted on this blog which shows what was originally on the Facebook pages of those involved in the smear against Helen Ann Hulse and the false information continuing to be posted against this ministry MMMO. |
Update 9/21/13 - Written by a Christian or someone filled with hatred? Arthur Adam Haglund
"Here is a little story I would like to tell.
A while back, there was a conference in which the daughter of a well known anti cult apologist was speaking at. when she was done and before another speaker started, a nice man wanted to speak to her and get a picture with her. this is not uncommon. the following speaker disliked and his wife positively HATED this nice young man (not unusual, she hates lots of people). The next speaker decided to not say anything there, but a blog and social site entry was made, claiming that the speaker was rudely made to wait and could not start on time. This speaker also said he did not know this young man, even though they have known each other for some time.
The posted threads on the blog and social site stated that this man acted in a bad way. the previous speaker commented on the incident (she had been highly praised by the second speaker) and stated that things did not transpire as the blog and social page claimed. then the posts were removed, and then the speaker and his Mrs started making more false claims against the nice young man when HE mentioned it in his blog. With the daughter of the famous man's comment now gone, the accusation continued and still does.
All the while, this man and wife claim to be victims and lie and lie and lie.
Oh, they Claim to be God's servants, as well.
This ends the story, a sad tale to be true, and one that will have no happy ending until the man and his hateful wife repent and make amends, including telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
I doubt it will happen, though."
The above harassment - Art you and your friends and getting the attention you so wanted, but the result is not going to be what you wanted or expected.
Why? None of you know the truth.
1). The truth is not within you any of you and it began with Wendy Jensen in South Jordan, Utah and her lying gossip.
2). None of you know the truth about this ministry or us from 2001-to the day we drove out of Nauvoo in June 2008. Where we went, what we were doing nor why we are located in Texas.
Next updates coming: Will be about the time we as a couple spent in Nauvoo, IL as the directors of the Nauvoo Christian Center which will contain the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth with the proof to back up every word. Stand by for heavy rolls 'cause it is coming and it will include every single person involved in what happened at NCVC.
3). Heads up prepare to answer this lie you posted about us on Rob Sivulka's website CCU' blog, Steve Dealy - You posted the comment below:
"Neither I, nor my board, endorse the disrespectful speech exhibited in allowing others to comment here. Having said that, the comments still have a point. It's up to you to make up your own minds concerning the truthfulness of this whole matter." (10/15/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
"Upon the advice of my board and my pastor, I have attempted to clean up the disrespectful language of certain others who have commented here against the Hulses. Edits or whole deletions of comments may continue as our board and my pastor sees fit in order to set a more respectful tone while preserving the overall intent of the authors. May cooler heads prevail! " (10/16/13)
Seriously, Rob after posting nothing, but vile hate filed comments including the 'fake' MMMO blogs above by Art Haglund, you continue to egg people (plus 'fake' profiles' on to attacked us personally by name and MMMO's ministry Fan Page which was on Facebook at the time, you were doing this on your personal Facebook page since 2011. The mocking and attacks when on from 2011 until they were 'ALL' removed by Facebook - Not by you, as you claimed on your Facebook page and yes we do have proof you claimed you removed it.
So what did you, Rob do? You moved your attack along with the same vile groupies to your CCU's blog to began again after the Capstone Conference at Calvary Chapel in Salt Lake City, Utah held on April 12th and 13th, 2013
Why? As was stated they were removed from Facebook and you needed a ventue. Now, after months of these lies being posted you are going to take the advice of your board and pastor and attempt to clean up disrespectful language. Oh boy, that is a whopper!! I (Helen) called you first, but had to leave a voice message and then called one of your board members Aaron Shafovaloff in July 2013 in an attempt to speak with you and at least talk about this situation that had gotten out of hand. I agreed with Aaron to send you an email vise the phone call and you posted it on your website CCU blog rather than respond to it privately.
Aaron Shafovaloff , you are a flat out liar. I've had the same cell phone number since '09 and spoken with you on it before. So for you to say if you'd known it was me you wouldn't have answered the call. Seriously, you get calls from Texas while at work and answer them when you don't know whose calling? Oh, that's laughable you are suppose to be working and you'll take unknown callers while on the job? Again, Aaron you lied. I did agree with you during our phone call, it would be well for all parties to arrange for a conference call and even told you, Aaron to call you, Rob Sivulka and Bill McKeever about our conversation on July 9, 2013 and made sure I explained we were going to California and moving so it would be difficult to arrange until after we were settled. We would be happy to have a conference call with all parties involved.
All Rocky and I were asking was for you to take down your blog against us and stop using the copyrighted photo you, Rob took off our TV show 'Truth Outreach' after you had used two others photos of us. Another point why the urgent need to rush up on the stage during a seminar at the Capstone Conference and yet at the very same church Calvary Chapel in Salt Lake City, Utah same year 2013, you waited and met one of the speakers at another Seminar, our friend Joel Kramer (who stayed in our home in Nauvoo, IL with Scott Johnson) for him to come to the church foyer?
Walter Martin's Religious InfoNet was attempting to leave after her presentation and Rocky Hulse Mormon Missions Midwest Outreach could begin his presentation. Instead of waiting for her to return to her table in the church foyer the above photo is the proof of Rob's behavior at Capstone.
SourceFlix - Living Hope Ministry. This was another Seminar held at same church Calvary Chapel in Salt Lake City and in the church foyer where he should have taken his photo with Jill Martin Rische, Walter Martin's Religious InfoNet rather rushing up on the stage in the main sanctuary.
Rob Sivulka has been around those in ministry for years and there is no excuse for his rude behavior at the Capstone Conference vise the correct behavior at another seminar just months later at Calvary Chapel Salt Lake City, Utah.
Grow up Rob, your behavior on CCU's blog is anything, but adult. It certainly does not display the behavior of a Christian ministry to continuing to post the articles against us and then allow people you know are in fact know liar's and fake profiles to continue your agenda!
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