Saturday, June 23, 2007

DNA vs. The Book of Mormon

Every Christian should see this DNA vs Book of Mormon DVD. Hopefully some of your Mormon family or friends will watch it also. That is our prayer for the Mormon people that they be set free from the bondage of Mormonism.

Friday, June 22, 2007

Mormon Speaks Out About Trip From Utah to Nauvoo

Read some of the words that a Mormon posted on his blog, you gotta wonder why do they come to Nauvoo? It's Mormon "Mecca" that's why!

"...Share This Says Jeff
Random Thoughts & Observations of Vacation
For all I’ve written about this trip there are still so many things rolling around in my head. For the sake of making a record of them, if only to recall them should we do something like this again...Not only does it rain in Ogallala but it stinks too. I think one of the biggest cattle ranches in the world is there and certainly one of the biggest piles of manure resides there. You can’t plug your nose through it and it does STINK.
The Wendy’s in North Plate, Nebraska sucks.
The pool at the La Quinta in Omaha really needs a cleaning.
Winter Quarters took about an hour of our time and it was time well spent. We saw everything and felt the spirit there.
Fort Madison is closer to Nauvoo than Keokuk and has everything you might night. You will spend $1 to get over the Mississippi though.
The Nauvoo State Park is a park — you camp on grass. Your first impression is that it is a dream location — soft grass to sleep on and fluffy bunnies bounding about give it an air of being comfortable. Don’t believe it. The raccoons are aggressive, you can’t leave ANYTHING out. They also SMELL. The bathrooms were not bad, as far as camp bathrooms go and while I did hear a few complain about cold showers mine never was. Shower early, shower often. Being off the water of Lake Horton means the bugs are plentiful and the humidity there has you sweating the second you get out of the shower.
We had menus all planned for this trip. But other than our first night we didn’t cook at all. Part of that was because of schedules, part of that was because of a change in plans, part of that was because it was just too blasted hot. Eating in town is dicey. Grandpa Johns is a soda fountain that serves burgers and fries. Poor service, extremely slow, lousy at math and barely passable food. The malts weren’t even that good. The Nauvoo bakery was a little better, but not much. Their soft serve ice cream was popular with the kids.
The Nauvoo laundromat was accessible 24 hours per day, cost $1.25 to wash and $.25 per cycle to dry (most loads took two cycles). Their change machine only worked with $1 bills.
The drive from Nauvoo to Carthage takes about 20 minutes.
Keokuk is a pit of a town. But they do have a Super Wal Mart. We bought two cases a day of bottled water for the 8 of us and used every bit of it.
The roads we took out of Nauvoo and into Missouri weren’t all that great.
Was not impressed with the hospitality in Nauvoo, except at the Temple, of course.
Groceries can be purchased at Duck’s market in Nauvoo...but you’ll pay a premium for just about anything else. Still, it beats going into Fort Madison or Keokuk if you really need something.
The best souveneirs in Nauvoo are free: get a free Nauvoo brick at the brickyard, a free rope at the rope making display at the Family Living center, a bent nail ring at the blacksmith’s, and a cookie at the bakery.
The Visitor’s Center offers air conditioned entertainment, something to plan for in the late afternoons especially.
The carriage rides are free but close down if the heat gets too bad.
Take only water and forget soda. In the heat and the humidity that’s what people want. If you want firewood at Nauvoo State Park, bring it with you. It cost four bucks a bundle at Duck’s and those were some small bundles".

Tuesday, June 19, 2007

Monday, June 18, 2007

Mormon Speaks About Nauvoo Temple Day...Another Mormon Speakes About Those Non-Mormons Who Live Here in Nauvoo...Wow!

Temple Day...Jeff
It is nearly midnight and here I sit in the only place in the bustling metropolis of Nauvoo that is open — the laundromat. Abby is here with me, slogging through three days of camp-smelling, kid neglected and sweat-soiled clothes. It is a job that just needs to be done, regardless of the fact that this day began over 18 hours ago.

The plan was for us to meet at the Nauvoo temple this morning at 8am. For us, that meant getting up before 6am and getting ready in church clothes from the camp shower. The camp shower, by far not the worst I’ve seen, still leaves a lot to be desired, especially when getting ready on short sleep. But we’re trying not to murmur, even if after the fact. We knew we’d be coming here on a shoestring, we knew that because of our circumstances we would have inconveniences that nobody else would, and we knew we’d be dead tired through out. But there were times in the early morning hours that I thought we were just plain nuts for doing this.

But in the end the effort was quickly forgotten. We got into the Temple just fine and immediately noted the difference in this temple from others we had been in. The temple itself is “original size”, at least on the outside. But on the inside it is a model of efficient use of space and compact spaces. Mom had a stack of names from our geneaology for us to work on and we first went through an endowment session. It is a rare enough event for me to go to the temple with my parents. But to have both of my sisters there was a delight. To have my uncles and my aunt there just made it the rarest of temple excursions.

We next headed to the top floor of the temple to their biggest sealing room and there we got to witness some very important ordinances. My mother’s parents were first sealed to each other and then my Mom was sealed to them. It was a sacred, emotional event. I was not aware we were coming to Nauvoo to do this work — although Mom and Debbie said it was the plan all along. I’m glad it was and I’m sorry I didn’t realize it. It turned out to be a bonus for me and a sacred capstone to this whole event. Sandy and I not only witnessed this event, we were able to participate in doing sealings for my great-grandparents and a few other folks. A real honor and a distinctive way of putting this whole trip into the proper perspective.

We had left the kids — including Reeves, who had spent the night with Enoch in the 2-man tent — alone at the campground. We were anxiety filled about that for a while but it turned out well, in spite of some liberties taken by a few of the kids.

It was blazing hot today. The heat here is different in many respects. It got up to 96 today, not bad in our world in Utah where it needs to hit 110 in order for folks to really complain about dealing with the heat. But the heat today here was just oppressive. The heat I felt in Puerto Rico, which suffered from even higher humidity, was terrible but at least there you had the offset of ocean breezes from just about any direction. Here, you’ve got nothing to move the heat. It just sits on top of you like a warm marshmallow and before long you feel all your chocolate fudge oozing. It is warm and gooey and sticky and miserable.

Enoch, Allie, and Maggie went with their cousins and explored old Nauvoo. Sandy, Abby and I took Emma and Madelyn out to a mediocre lunch in downtown Nauvoo and then headed over to the visitor’s center — gloriously air conditioned — to watch a little musical production put together by young missionaries called “High Hopes and River Boats”, about life in Nauvoo in the 1840s. It was fun, though Sandy and I found the darkness and the air so appealing that we both dozed off a time or two.

We had to quickly move after that in order to take Abby and Enoch to the Temple with Maurine, Christina, and Tia with Keith and Julia in order to do baptisms. Enoch has gone a couple of times before, but Abby had never been. It was a great place for her to have her first temple experience. I was able to conduct the confirmations, while Keith did the baptizing. This too was a defining experience for us and one made especially memorable because we experienced together with Abby’s and Enoch’s cousins. The Temple is all about family and this trip has taught us that and reinforced that in the biggest of ways.

We went back to where Alan’s family had rented a home and enjoyed their air conditioning and their company for a few more hours before discussing plans for the next reunion 2 years hence (looks like Atlanta next time). By then, we were totally spent. No dinner, little rest, incessantly hot — but we’re happy tonight. We’re modifying our plans a bit because we’ve really neglected the little kids the past two days and we still haven’t seen much of Nauvoo ourselves. We’re going to try to change that tomorrow but instead of leaving on Sunday we might stay through until Monday just to give us a chance at everything.

Mormons come to Nauvoo and tell what they think of Nauvoo on their blogs?
June 21st, 2007
These are not my words they were posted on a blog by a Mormon named Kris

“As a Mormon “Mecca”, visiting Nauvoo and Carthage is a must. The spirit there and what the early Mormon’s had to endure there is quite moving…One afternoon in the humidity was enough for me and never mind the bugs!

The church owned sites were great. The missionaries that worked the exhibits were very knownledgable and friendly. The shows were top notch and the meet/great afterward left my 4 year old “star struck.” If only we had more time…

The side of Nauvoo owned by the Community of Christ - formerly the Reorganized Church of Latter-Day Saints - formerly part of the offical Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints was a bit odd. The settings were ok and well taken care of. However, to visit the visitor’s center and some of the sites, cost money and viewing of their church commerical which would be ok (they need to pay for the upkeep some how) but what you learn about them is disconcerting given the fact that they control most of the Joseph Smith family sites and consider him to be their founder. The religion isn’t even a shell of what it once was when he headed it. And it makes me wonder if it made the changes because it merely wanted to be accepted? It’s a bit confusing, especially since they still regard the Book of Mormon as scripture yet contradict it’s teachings. It left me a sad feeling for them as it seems they undid what Joseph did and that for their sake, he died in vain.”

I would ask the Mormons who wrote the above one statements. Where in the Book of Mormon is there one doctrine for anything that goes on inside that Nauvoo Mormon temple or any other Mormon temple for that matter... You will not find anything that happens in a Mormon temple in the Book of Mormon. Also their words give a pretty clear picture just what they think of the people who live here in Nauvoo. (hmmmm?

A UTAH MORMON SPEAKS ABOUT TRIP TO NAUVOO!

I (Helen) will not say much here just let this speak for itself...However, I found as I read these words below that Kris and her family were here in Nauvoo and I have to wonder why they didn't stop at the Nauvoo Christian Visitors Center while here in Nauvoo? I am sure that all of them walked passed the Center on more that one occasion. We watch Mormons walk pass the Center everyday. Some just look at us, some will not. I can honestly say no one that has been in this Center, since we became the directors in 2005 has done anything other than say "Hello, how are you, Great day, Beautiful weather, Where are you from, or just a smile and wave." I can also say that many will not even smile or say hello in return...that is truly sad. Those like the one below seem to be increasing in number daily.

~*~Blogosphere~*~
Somewhere between Fantasyland and Never Neverland June 18, 2007
Nauvoo Trip Report
Filed Under (Family, Church, About Whatever) by Kris on 18-06-2007
So, you know the drama with the “getting there” and “coming home”. There’s no need to rehash it. Despite the challenges the traveling gave me, the trip was well worth the trouble. On a whole, I will say that the locals in Nauvoo are not too fond of us Mormons. Not sure why. I mean, of the people that I encountered there, the most friendly were the fellow LDS who went out of their way to show hospitality to everyone and they didn’t have to figure out who we were or what affiliation we were. It didn’t matter. For those non-believers (ha ha), they must figure that if they don’t know us and to them, what other reason would a person have to visit a place like Nauvoo, we must be Mormon. Perhaps they’re right but it’d be behoove them to be at least a little more hospitable, especially when they’re taking our money.

As a Mormon “Mecca”, visiting Nauvoo and Carthage is a must. The spirit there and what the early Mormon’s had to endure there is quite moving. I am not so sure that those of us with all the luxuries that we enjoy could handle a smidgen of what they had to. One afternoon in the humidity was enough for me and never mind the bugs!

The church owned sites were great. The missionaries that worked the exhibits were very knowledgable and friendly. The shows were top notch and the meet/greet afterward with the performers left my 4 year old “star struck.” If only we had more time. There was much more to see. I guess we’ll have to return some day.

The side of Nauvoo owned by the Community of Christ - formerly the Reorganized Church of Latter-Day Saints - formerly part of the official Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints was a bit odd. The settings were ok and well taken care of. However, to visit the vistor’s center and some of the sites, cost money and viewing of their church commercial which would be ok (they need to pay for the upkeep some how) but what you learn about them is disconcerting given the fact that they control most of the Joseph Smith family sites and consider him to be their founder. The religion isn’t even a shell of what it once was when he headed it. And it makes me wonder if it made the changes because it merely wanted to be accepted? It’s a bit confusing, especially since they still regard the Book of Mormon as scripture yet contradict its teachings. It left me a sad feeling for them as it seems they undid what Joseph did and that for their sake, he died in vain.On a better note, the main reason for the trip was to come together as a family - immediate and extended - and share memories about Grandma and Grandpa Westover and for the first time ever, attend a temple session together. We also planned for this time to seal my Mother’s parents to each other and her to them. It was a moment long in coming and I was priveledged to be there. It will long be one of my most cherished memories.

Thursday, June 14, 2007

Glenn Beck Interview

Listen closely to Glen Beck's words..."I don't care if there is Kool-Aid down in the basement, I'm drinking it." And do you think this is the way to join the Mormon Church drink Kool-Aid and go by warm feelings?

Sunday, June 10, 2007

Trailer: Lifting the Veil of Polygamy

Living Hope Ministries have done it again...
When Brigham Young led his Mormon followers westward, polygamy was taught as doctrine...not as an option, but as a requirement for exaltation. Joseph Smith had proclaimed it to be an everlasting covenant, a commandment from God Himself.

In spite of the modern LDS Church’s prohibition of the practice, tens of thousands of Joseph Smith’s followers across North America continue the practice of plural marriage to this day...out of obedience to the revelations and commandments of a self-proclaimed prophet of God.

This documentary examines the roots of Joseph Smith’s legacy, and its modern-day fruit. We follow the compelling testimonies of nine former fundamentalists, who shed light on this practice and lifestyle which has been shrouded in secrecy since the earliest days of Mormonism; but more importantly, they share the true freedom they have found in the Jesus Christ of the Bible.

Thursday, June 7, 2007

Rumors in Nauvoo?

We were out of town less than eight days. Speaking seminar in St Peters, Mo and the retirement of a friend and fellow Navy Officer at Scott Air Force Base in St. Louis, MO. Upon our return the rumors were flying that we had been run out of town. Not true! There may be those who wish we weren't here, but there are also plenty that do want the Nauvoo Christian Visitors Center to keep on keeping on with Defending Chrisitanity From Mormon Doctrine.

Wednesday, June 6, 2007

Joseph Smith Jr. -- The Ravening Wolf

Are you trusting your eternity in the Mormon Prophet Joseph Smith and the Mormon Church? Watch this again...If what I have believed my whole life as a Mormon was not true, would I want to know? If you are taking the Mormon missionaries lessons or have just converted to the Mormon Church do you what to know the whole history of the Mormon Church?

Tuesday, June 5, 2007

Cartoon banned by the Mormon church~Why?

Think about this why would the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ban this when it is Mormon Doctrine? If what is in this cartoon is false, why would the Mormon Church, then not just put forth the truth and show that it is a fraud?

The Mormon Church - Joseph Smith wives

...Watch this for video and ask yourself just one question, do you think this man would be arrested today?

Rocky and Helen Hulse

Rocky and Helen Hulse
Defending Christianity From Mormon Doctrine