Monday, June 14, 2010

The Other Gods of Deuteronomy by Staci Lee

An LDS man who wanted to convince me that the Bible validates the notion of multiple gods used Deuteronomy 32:8 as a proof text. In the RSV (the translation he wanted to use for this verse) it says:
"When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of men, he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.";
The LDS man made three claims:  that "sons of God" is the more accurate translation; that these sons-of-God are gods themselves; and that these sons-of-God/gods are part of a "heavenly council of gods" to the "Most High God."

To see if the man had a reasonable argument, I first went back to the Book of Deuteronomy and studied it carefully.  As it turns out, Deuteronomy has A LOT to say about other gods. The following is a presentation of what I found. PLEASE take the time to read these verses so you will know that my representations and conclusions are fully supported by the Biblical text.

(And keep in mind that Bible translators use the all-caps word "LORD" for the Hebrew word יְהוָה which means "The Existing One."  "YHWH," "Yahweh," or "Jehovah" are the English renderings of יְהוָה  For this reason, I will substitute "Jehovah" for "LORD" below).

"...Thou shalt have none other gods before me..."

Deuteronomy teaches that:

1 - The LORD God (Jehovah elohim) is the god of the nation of Israel, but other peoples/nations have/worship other gods (Deut 5:6; Deut 29:25-26; Deut 32:12)
2 - The LORD God is adamant that His people not have anything to do with the other gods, nor try to worship Him in the same way as the other people worship their gods (Deut 5:6-8; Deut 6:14; Deut 7:3-5; Deut 8:19; Deut 11:16-17; Deut 11:28; Deut 12:2; Deut 28:14-15; Deut 30:16; Deut 31:16-17)
3 - The god-worship done by the other nations includes “every abomination to the LORD” (one given example is the burning of their children) (Deut 12:31; Deut 20:18; Deut 29:18; Deut 31:18) and
4 - The LORD God is superior to all other "gods" (Deut 3:24; Deut 10:17)

"...These curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee...The LORD shall bring thee... unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone..."

Deuteronomy tells us more about the gods of the other nations.  It goes on to show that:

5 - The other "gods" being worshiped are just wood and stone -- graven images/the work of men’s hands (Deut 28:36; Deut 28:64; Deut 4:25, 27-28; Deut 29:16-18; Deut 12:3)
6 - The other "gods" being worshiped are the sun, moon, and ‘host of heaven’ (Deut 17:2-5; Deut 4:15-16,19) and
7 - The other "gods" being worshiped are demons! (Deut 32:16-17)

Perhaps some of the "gods" are not really gods, but are some real?


“For the LORD shall judge his people... he shall say, 'Where are their gods... let them rise up and help you, and be your protection! See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me...'" Deut 32:36-39

“Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.” Deut 4:35

“Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is none else.” Deut 4:39

Perhaps, according to Deuteronomy, Jehovah God is the only real god for our heaven and earth; but there are other real gods for other 'heaven and earths'? Is this possible? No, for two reasons.

First, in all of Deuteronomy, and in fact, in all of the Bible, though the issue of "other gods" is brought up many, many, many times, NOT ONE TIME is any mention made of any other REAL god.

Second, should there be any confusion, the "I am the only God" verses in Deuteronomy have been restated and further clarified elsewhere in the Bible (eg., Isaiah 43:10, 44:6,24).

Mormon friend, it boils down to this.  Given what is revealed about Jehovah -- the LORD God, in the Bible -- for you to claim or believe that there are other real gods anywhere (even in other universes, if they exist) you must believe that: 1 - Jehovah conceals the existence of other real gods, 2 - Jehovah is ignorant, or 3 - the Bible is not true (is not reliable/has been mistranslated). Since we were trying to use A BIBLE VERSE to prove the existence of other real gods in the first place, it is pointless to take the position that the Bible is not true/accurate.  Next, throughout the Bible, not only does Jehovah repeatedly state that He is the only God, but He takes great care everywhere else in the Bible to say that the "other gods" are but idols. We cannot get around the fact that Jehovah God has clearly spoken on this issue. Lastly, could Jehovah be ignorant? Dare we assume Jehovah is not great enough to know of His peers? Only if we think we are greater than He is. “God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar” (Romans 3:4).

We must conclude that IF the 8th verse of the 32nd chapter of Deuteronomy is really talking about "gods," then they are only so-called gods, wrongfully worshiped, to a person's detriment.

And the Most High God? Yeah, that's Jehovah.

"...I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD (Jehovah), the most high God (elyon el), the possessor of heaven and earth..." (Genesis 14:22)

"I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD (Jehovah) most high (elyon)." (Psalm 7:17)
"Know therefore this day, and lay it to your heart, that the LORD is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other." Deut 4:39

"If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams... saying, Let us go after other gods (elohim)... that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD (Jehovah) your God (elohim)..." Deut 13:1-5

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Saturday, June 12, 2010

Mormonism and Victoria's Secret

Mormonism and Victoria's Secret by Staci Lee
I've just realized that Mormonism and Victoria's Secret are the same. Let me explain.

You get a Victoria's Secret magazine in the mail. The clothes they are selling look terrific. You want to look terrific. You buy something. It comes in the mail. The $45 you spent has turned into a piece a  fabric that weighs about an ounce. You try it on. You don't look anything like the model did, in the photo. You feel horrible that you don't look like you should. You start trying to work out more, eat less. You feel like a failure. It's your fault - you could look like that, but you just don't try hard enough.


For those who haven't caught it yet, I'll keep explaining.

Mormonism comes on bikes, unless you grew up with it. It also comes in syrupy commercials and terrific fast-and-testimony meeting stories. You want a forever family that is always smiling, happy to work together, and steadfastly and consistently on their way to heaven. You sign up. You start trying to be a Mormon. Pretty soon, you realize that the requirements are more than you can handle. Even though you had 10 kids and you work like a pioneer woman to keep the homestead going, you keep  falling short of the expectations - genealogy for your dead relatives, FHE every week, an enlightening message for your visiting teaching rounds.

And it's your fault. If only you would just try harder, you'd have had kids who you didn't have to force to go to church. If only you were more righteous, your husband would be the bishop instead of the ward clerk. And the "image" continues to torment you, day in and day out, as you work your butt off to be perfect, and just never make it.

There's hope my friend, if the above is you. First of all, I suggest that you send the magazine back to Victoria's Secret, marked "Return to Sender". You don't need their air-brushed images, their celery-eating, make-up covered ideas in your head. You are a real person, who lives in the real world, and their idea of "sexiness" is shallow and empty, and is not helping you.

Don't go buy a treadmill, don't start eating nothing but celery. Instead, get in touch with why you wanted to buy the lingerie in the first place. Are you having marital troubles? Are you insecure? There are better answers to your problems. Real answers.

No, this note is not really about Victoria's secret, or your sexiness.

This note is about Mormonism's "product". Here is the truth my friends. Mormonism's product will do nothing but leave you unsatisfied. The LDS religion works hard to show themselves the model church. But the helpfulness, the truth that they offer for all your money and trust, is about 1 oz of flimsy fabric.

You can't be perfect. So take Jesus up on His offer. Cover yourself with His Righteousness, and be perfected in Him. He is the only solution to all of your problems. Go to Him as you are, and become beautiful in God's eyes because Jesus has already paid all the debt you owe, and is standing to represent you - perfectly.

You'll find Him in the Bible. Need some starter help? I, for one, would be terrifically glad to help you get started.

With love...

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Tuesday, June 1, 2010

Analogy of Mormon leaving their church

Steve Kimball Transitioning out of Mormonism is like a newly married couple. The wife loves the husband and is certain that he loves her.

One day he comes home and she can smell a strange perfume on his shirt. But since she has faith in him, she simply disregards it.

A few days later she notices lipstick on his collar and this time, (kind of jokingly), she asks him where the lipstick came from. His answer is somewhat stretched and convoluted but she has faith in him so she accepts what he says and tries to put it out of her mind.

As time goes on she comes across more glaring evidences that he is having an affair and each time the explanations he provides become more convoluted and less plausible. He also starts making implied threats that, if she continues this line of questioning, he will leave her.

Added to her worries is the fact that when she confides in family and friends about her concerns they all tell her that they "know" he is a good man and that she needs to have more faith in him. They also make it clear that they will side with him if things go bad. 'After all', they say,'Isn't he a good provider? Isn't he good for the children?'

So ask yourself, at what point does her "faith" in her husband stop being faith and start being denial (or simply acceptance of a bad situation and trying to make the best of it)? Is it when she sees him having dinner with a strange woman and does nothing? Or is it when she finally sees him in bed with another woman and still does nothing?

Mormons who are facing the painful truth about the church are just like that woman.
Joseph Smith founder of the Church of Jesus Christi of Latter-day Saints more commonly known as the Mormon Church.

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